KFA - Krishnamurti Foundation of America

Pablo Sitauskis wrote:

snguyen wrote:

Do you think that by accumulating more and more knowledge, proof, science, philosophy… you are approaching infinity within your very limited time on earth?

No. I was programmed to think this by my culture (and perhaps DNA). But that was then. These days I'm just interested in the story of it all, like I might be interested in a juicy novel.

I watch my mind very closely and see that anything I collect has an influence on me and it can lead me far enough into a subjective truth which may be very well an illusion.

I watch too and have acquired a reasonably good nose for sniffing out self-deception.

So, we have enough collection already, and if we don’t realize that, it is such a pity.

My brain tends to get deeply involved with something, search intensely (single-mindedly!) for "an answer," then drop the whole shebang, question/search/everything, and return to a kind of tabula rasa simplicity, almost as if the search never happened. I used to hate this (because I could never really accumulate knowledge, "get anywhere"); now I love it.

Cool.

Perhaps a pseudoscientific phenomenon, like chi or auras or clairvoyance, can't be measured/detected because we have not yet discovered the technology (if that's the right term) that is needed to measure it.

But that still leaves me at sea; how can I *know* if this or that outlandish claim is quackery or reality? Is "gut feeling" as good as it gets? If so, that ain't too good ... since, for me at least, gut feeling can be a consummately skillful deceiver.

snguyen wrote:

Does it trouble your mind though?

Not significantly. It interests me, like anything interesting might do.

But to invest one’s time into chasing all the little endless manifestations, one would lose the understanding of the vast silence that does not worry about making any noise.

I am happy to experience/feel the absolute (your vast silence), but am equally happy to explore and take delight in the relative (the endless, and often beautiful, manifestations). And so I yo-yo, back and forth, back and forth.

hi there pablo, have you found that which you seek?  I say we throw in the whole question of identity and what it means to know and see what happens...

ok then, you asked for it!

Identification and knowing, a very long and old story.  It is kind of a tangent from your quest pablo, so pardon the tangential if you will in the seeing what happens realm of things.  You want to know if this or that claim is outlandish, and yet you also say we have met the enemy and he is us.  How to resolve these two seemingly disparate thoughts? 

Have you any idea what I am poking about for here in the underbrush?

Last edited by joe (2012-07-26 20:22:24)

Pablo Sitauskis wrote:

since, for me at least, gut feeling can be a consummately skillful deceiver.

Another Krishnamurti, UG, used to say that intuition (another term for gut feeling really isn't it?) is 'sensitized thought'.

I don't particularly like UG Krishnamurti, he sort of gives me the creeps, but I do tend to agree with him on this.

wilbro99 wrote:

I have a theory as to what is going on. Thought begins with the self thought, which means that the thinker is already in the act, and ends, or grounds out, when that being thought is seen as that being thought, which removes the thinker from the thought.

Stare long and hard enough in the mirror and your face eventually becomes ... a face?

Pablo Sitauskis wrote:

This is a bit off-topic...

What is the topic that you can be off?

Pablo Sitauskis wrote:

So what's a human to do?

We must be human

Pablo Sitauskis wrote:

How can one know, with reasonable certainty, whether a given pseudoscientific "fact" is, in fact, true or not? Absent empirical proof, is one's intuition the best lie detector?

you already knew the answer to the second part of your question here (and later stated it), I don't see how anyone can answer the first part.

so, what is it you are playing with as true or false
Is it God?
Free lunches?
Did mum and dad really love me? (they did, your name says it all)

best
Rojan Josh

Pablo Sitauskis wrote:

Partly I'm playing with the whole notion of truth/falseness.


Wouldn't it be sad if one's Grand And Noble Quest (GANQ) was really just a yearning for love/approval/certification? I'm sure it happens.

I think the certification is what happens when you don't get the love or approval.

What are you sure of so far? (re true or false)

pragmatism: truth is what does work

"You are what you do." - that French guy