KFA - Krishnamurti Foundation of America

con-science

The fulfilment of man's destiny is to be the totality. It is not a question of losing yourself in the Absolute, but that you, by growth, by continual conflict, by adjustment, shall become the whole. Individuality is merely a segment of the totality, and it is because it feels itself to be only a part that it is all the time seeking to fulfil itself, to realise itself in the totality. Therefore self-consciousness involves effort. If you do not make an effort against limitation, there is no longer self-consciousness and individuality. When individuality has fulfilled itself through ceaseless effort, destroying, tearing down the wall of separateness, when it has achieved a sense of effortless being, then individual existence has fulfilled itself.
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Being is pure awareness, effortless consciousness. The difference between self-consciousness and consciousness is that self-consciousness is the outcome of the realisation of separateness, in which there is conflict between individuals, in which there is individual existence; whereas consciousness is that selfhood in which all individual consciousness exist and in which all effort ceases, which is beyond time and space although time and space are in that consciousness. That consciousness is positive being, is true being. To arrive at that being, one must watch over desire caused by self-conscious existence. When you understand desire, from whence it springs and towards what it is going, its aim and purpose, desire becomes a precious jewel to which you cling, which you are continually chiselling and refining. Then that desire is not an imposed discipline, but becomes true discipline, which varies progressively until you arrive at pure being. Desire is its own discipline.
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My purpose has been to show to those who are willing to see that truth lies hidden within themselves. The happiness which they are seeking is hidden within their own limitations, within their own hearts, within their own minds.

JK,Early Writings,EXPERIENCE AND CONDUCT,1928

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wilbro99 wrote:

awareness wrote:

willy wrote:

One more aside question comes to mind, since I am on the subject. There are times that you write like a scholar, and there are times you write like a scholar dissembling. Am I correct on both counts?

Be fair now…

really? i dont care about. for me it is so, that there are no words mor after krishnamurti, which means that his "work" was to challenge yourself, the philosophs wrote always so complicated, that you ferget sometimes, about what he/she is talking. but now, so i see it now, it is going only around the timeless presence, a sence, of which there is the feeling, that there is no other after.

Your response was around-the-corner fair.

Tie Eckhart into this mess for me, will you? How would St. John of the Cross fit in here?

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http://whitecranejournal.com/wc01047.htm

Yeah, it sure looks like a conspiracy; all those dudes saying the same thing in different words:

"As soon as God is present, each man in the presence of God has the task of paying attention to himself. The speaker must see that during the address he pays attention to himself, to what he says; the listener, that during that address he pays attention to himself, to how he listens, and whether during that address he, in his inner self, secretly talks with God." (Kierkegaard: Purity of Heart, Steele, p. 181)

awareness sez: "the similarity is remarkable. so i think, that k was being well educated in england,...and personally i doubt it, that k had not read any "philosophic" or "religious" book. but, indeed, that is not importantant, the speaker is not important, so we are talking about that, which is in ourself, and that energy is the thinking (without thought) together."

I, in my wonky way, would say that differently, and say that what we are talking about is the same reflection, which not only places us in what we are talking about, but also connects us around that corner.

wilbro99 wrote:

awareness sez: "the similarity is remarkable. so i think, that k was being well educated in england,...and personally i doubt it, that k had not read any "philosophic" or "religious" book. but, indeed, that is not importantant, the speaker is not important, so we are talking about that, which is in ourself, and that energy is the thinking (without thought) together."

I, in my wonky way, would say that differently, and say that what we are talking about is the same reflection, which not only places us in what we are talking about, but also connects us around that corner.

thats what i said, this energy is thinking (without thought) together

awareness sez: "thats what i said, this energy is thinking (without thought) together"

So, my attempt to say the same thing in a different syntax was a success; it not being a bone of contention, but an agreement.

Brother, can you paradigm?

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awareness wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

The mind is too quick in wanting to make it constant, permanent; which is why sometimes it enters theories. It likes to think it has achieved, it has grabbed it, once and for all. One of the reasons it calls truth 'constant'.

to whom are you saying that?

I was looking at the mind which says that truth is constant. Looking at the reasons behind saying it.

The Dark Night
Stanzas of the Soul
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5. O guiding night!
O night more lovely than the dawn!
O night that has united
the Lover with his beloved,
transforming the beloved in her Lover.

From: THE COLLECTED WORKS OF ST. JOHN OF THE CROSS

ok, i am really a lazy writer, but i can connect that poem, whith that what i wrote once to RJ, perhaps the rambling happens on an easy way

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Nous

activation energy and catalysis

awareness wrote:

“     The entropy of the universe tends to a maximum.     ”

Rudolf Clausius in 1865

it means, that the universe is dying

so remaining with what is needs energy. thought as matter, as a pattern with a highly degree of "order"has a low entropy. the transformation, the ending of matter is the tendency from "order of matter" into  "disorder-of the matter-ending", thats why matter is limited.

now, you can wait till the body is dying or you can remain with what is, in which through the non-movement of thought, through the focussing of the pattern, in which the focussing of energy takes place and this energy is needed as the activation energy, so that the explosion of matter without direction and the simultaneous releasement of energy can happen. so the remaining with what is, the supply with activation energy happens and the pattern breaks down immediately, if there is not the movement to another pattern, another thought, the moving away from what is.
so this transformation of what is, in which is the which, is like wood-burning by adding energy, activation energy in form of fire, in which the releasement of energy takes place, the transformation of wood into ashes. this flame of love destroyes all, what is false, in every corner of the body discovering takes place and this flame cannot be in the presence of resistance.

so the psychological "order of matter", which is thought, is disorder. this disorder ends by ending of the "order of matter" in which is the "disorder-of the matter-ending", which is order.

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