KFA - Krishnamurti Foundation of America

Not knowing where it is might make it disappear, no explanation needed; but since it doesn't seem to happen, I'm trying the opposite: let's find out where it is, this illusion, then perhaps we can direct our attention towards it, and stop ignoring it.

bruce sean wrote:

where is the illusion which makes the world go astray? Before 'fixing' it, we must first know where it is.

Yay! Another loaded question, followed by its equally absurd offspring.  Like they say, when you begin with a load, all is loaded.

awareness wrote:

isnt it the step out of the field of not-knowing, the direction of wanting to know

you know it.

Eden wrote:

awareness wrote:

isnt it the step out of the field of not-knowing, the direction of wanting to know

you know it.

no, i forgot the "?" questionmark. i remain relaxing in the field of not-knowing, very smooth:-)

my second name is uncertain

awareness wrote:

Eden wrote:

awareness wrote:

isnt it the step out of the field of not-knowing, the direction of wanting to know

you know it.

no, i forgot the "?" questionmark. i remain relaxing in the field of not-knowing, very smooth:-)

keep dreaming. it's plainly obvious that you have 'relaxed' into your natural state as a pressured geyser of knowledge spewing out endlessly into the forum and the world.

awareness wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

awareness wrote:

there is only the stream of self-knowledge, which has to be transformed. the accumulated. the very special of the own story.

This self-knowledge is thought, which is not an illusion: where's the illusion?

perhaps that it is special

Ok, 'it is special' is a thought, and having such a thought is not an illusion, because it's happening in the brain. It's happening because of an illusion: where is it?

Is the illusion thought? We said no, thought is a fact. Emotion is a result of thought, and also a fact. Where's the illusion?

What is consciousness comprised of? Thoughts, emotions-they are real phenomena occuring in the brain, in the body, not illusions...Where's the illusion?

I remember once as I looked into my friends face, her face turned into the face of a woman I was in a relationship with. I couldn't believe it. WIERD. I dare say there is a scientific explanation, or a name for such a thing, albeit a phycotic reaction

Then there are those hypnotised people that on the cue of a word they get up and start acting like a bird, flapping their wings, and apparently in such a state they see themselves as a bird amidst a flock, and reallly see it for real.

Then there are the holy texts, I cannot recall which one, but some book where the moths had eaten through in parts, I am sure, and it stated. I came upon the earth and found everyone hypnotized, NOT only were thy hypnotized, but they were the hypnotist. DOING IT TO THEMSELVES and TO Each-other, and I found none of them of thirst. MIND you translation would of had to occur, hence that ones on a slippery slope. I think it was one of the gospels that didn't make the grade, or sumthin like that. SHRUGS.

Then there is the fallen world of belief and knowledge DOUBLE SHRUGS

Then there is, the fact, that for me at least, I certainly did indeed find a gate, and once through it crumbled like it never existed.  NO shrugs, no gate,

So where oh where is this illusion indeed.

so the illusion is a fact, in which there takes place the identification with thought, in which thought pairs with the energy, like a dead rider riding (thought) on an vital horse (body), in which the illusion takes place that thought is vital, too, but it is not, it is like a parasite, which depends on the energy of the living body. so a dead rider has the leadership in this utilization, in which the illusion takes place that thought is not separated from the body and the very continioning of thought is that the body cannot exist without thought inwardly, suggerating itself as the security-center. so the one is used by thought inwardly, instead that there is using thought, when necessary for the outward orientation/communication.

Last edited by awareness (2012-07-05 08:42:01)