KFA - Krishnamurti Foundation of America

Yes I nod off, thoughts  wander to. See, be aware of the fact they the videos, audios,  are always  new not for memorization . The talks are not just for the shallow upper conscious mind . The word penetration has been used an extraordinary number of times in the talks for a very good reason . :-)

Yes. I remember thinking things like it is too much at once. I had to pause, rewind multiple times and work with different passages to see what he was saying.

sds wrote:

LMP wrote:

Yes. I remember thinking things like it is too much at once. I had to pause, rewind multiple times and work with different passages to see what he was saying.

Yes, interesting, I can relate. I am amazed at his hour and 15 minute talks, how much is in there, how much is covered. It truly is exhausting, a lot of work to keep up with him....

For everyone It is really good that You understand he stresses that very same point in so many ways .In school the teacher asks questions from some books whatever they be  and we respond from memory . We cram information to pass tests but that is not learning how to think for ourselves individually, by  cramming facts, and ideas even though in technical schools that is necessary . Learning for its own sake  takes effort we do not mind putting in  but we do have to rest, and digest.

Yes  there are so many areas on the whole map of beliefs, ideas, and ideals we have not seen as blocking us ourselves . An approach negative, or positive, a right way to learn  means concentration attention focused down through the filter of an idea . A mental blockage right from the first step so factually there is no one, that can point to an accurate approach with any idea . Freedom is in the very beginning not at the end . :-)

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pitfalll wrote:

Inattention is an intrinsic part of our conditioning. Look at wild animals - are they not very attentive to the actual moment? Why are we so very different in this regard?
We think that attention is concentration, but it is not. The very process that is described, of the mind wandering away from K's words, is is in and of itself an incredibly interesting and valuable lesson in the functioning of habitual thought, and should not be looked upon as something to be 'rectified'.

Yes not to be intentionally rectified by force, or effort, or concentration .For different points of view basically you ended up agreeing with those who responded by saying not to do anything about it just be aware of inattention. As Bohm said to K. once it appears that your trying to talk to our unconscious  . Precisely replied K. that is what stillness is a conscious, and unconscious state of receptivity .  :-)

Commentaries On Living, Series 1

Problems will always exist where the activities of the self are dominant. To be aware which are and which are not the activities of the self needs constant vigilance. This vigilance is not disciplined attention, but an extensive awareness which is choiceless. Disciplined attention gives strength to the self; it becomes a substitute and a dependence. Awareness, on the other hand, is not self-induced, nor is it the outcome of practice; it is understanding the whole content of the problem, the hidden as well as the superficial. The surface must be understood for the hidden to show itself; the hidden cannot be exposed if the surface mind is not quiet. This whole process is not verbal, nor is it a matter of mere experience. Verbalization indicates dullness of mind; and experience, being cumulative, makes for repetitiousness.


Awareness is not a matter of determination, for purposive direction is resistance, which tends towards exclusiveness. Awareness is the silent and choiceless observation of what is; in this awareness the problem unrolls itself, and thus it is fully and completely understood. A problem is never solved on its own level; being complex, it must be understood in its total process. To try to solve a problem on only one level, physical or psychological, leads to further conflict and confusion. For the resolution of a problem, there must be this awareness, this passive alertness which reveals its total process.

J. Krishnamurti Commentaries on Living Series I Chapter 41 'Awareness'

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You have come to the conclusion that we are all totally second hand people.
I would dissagree. There is a part of the mind which is first hand, but which gets subsumed under the torrent of habitual thought. Discovering this and allowing it to flower is meditation.

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pitfalll wrote:

You have come to the conclusion that we are all totally second hand people.
I would dissagree. There is a part of the mind which is first hand, but whish gets subsumed under the torrent of habitual thought. Discovering this and allowing it to flower is meditation.

and then what? 

pitfalll wrote:

One way of avoiding meditation is to ask such questions.

it wasn't a question.

Perhaps yours is bruce. It's the only one which you are in a position to make such a statement about.