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#401 2012-06-30 09:24:10
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bruce sean wrote:
joe wrote:
Is it natural to you to talk?
When you came upon something extraordinary, which can be enjoyed by everyone and which can solve all of our problems as a human species, would you keep quiet?!
So is it natural for you to talk?
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#402 2012-06-30 22:18:16
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Re: Ban-free thread
bruce sean wrote:
You introduced something new: survival. Chess has very little to do with survival-it might, potentially, but most likely not. I was talking about the perception of life as a whole, chess or no chess, movies or not movies. Those activities do not change, nor do they facilitate the perception of the whole.
So chess has nothing to do with our survival as a species...so why are you drawn to it. What benefit does it offer you?
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#403 2012-07-01 17:39:07
- bruce sean
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Re: Ban-free thread
joe wrote:
bruce sean wrote:
joe wrote:
Is it natural to you to talk?
When you came upon something extraordinary, which can be enjoyed by everyone and which can solve all of our problems as a human species, would you keep quiet?!
So is it natural for you to talk?
I have answered that already, without artificially labeling it as 'natural', or 'artificial'.
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#404 2012-07-01 17:42:33
- bruce sean
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Re: Ban-free thread
Eden wrote:
bruce sean wrote:
You introduced something new: survival. Chess has very little to do with survival-it might, potentially, but most likely not. I was talking about the perception of life as a whole, chess or no chess, movies or not movies. Those activities do not change, nor do they facilitate the perception of the whole.
So chess has nothing to do with our survival as a species...so why are you drawn to it. What benefit does it offer you?
I said potentially it might.
The brain is empty; and so it can solve problems, concrete problems, without accumulation. It has energy, and this is simply something to do, without losing energy.
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#405 2012-07-01 17:45:03
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night wrote:
bruce sean wrote:
night wrote:
You missed the gist.Your point was that I'm better at chess than at this, so I better stick to chess.
I know what you meant.
But I also see that you keep missing the whole.Keep analyzing.
Outside chess, I NEVER DO.
The first step for you, night, is to admit a simple thing: say it after me now: say 'I am completely in the dark'.
To be continued.
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#406 2012-07-01 18:32:38
Re: Ban-free thread
bruce sean wrote:
joe wrote:
bruce sean wrote:
When you came upon something extraordinary, which can be enjoyed by everyone and which can solve all of our problems as a human species, would you keep quiet?!So is it natural for you to talk?
I have answered that already, without artificially labeling it as 'natural', or 'artificial'.
no bruce, you only justified your reasons for it...but what you communicate does not serve to lift people into bliss which it appears is what you are trying to communicate so strongly.
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#407 2012-07-01 22:37:19
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Re: Ban-free thread
bruce sean wrote:
Eden wrote:
bruce sean wrote:
You introduced something new: survival. Chess has very little to do with survival-it might, potentially, but most likely not. I was talking about the perception of life as a whole, chess or no chess, movies or not movies. Those activities do not change, nor do they facilitate the perception of the whole.
So chess has nothing to do with our survival as a species...so why are you drawn to it. What benefit does it offer you?
I said potentially it might.
The brain is empty; and so it can solve problems, concrete problems, without accumulation. It has energy, and this is simply something to do, without losing energy.
It doesn't take any energy to play chess? Brilliant line of reasoning as always.
"it might potentially offer a benefit to survival, but probably not, but I am clueless and I like it so I will just continue to play until I figure out if it does or not, but most likely it doesn't"
The mind of bruce in a nut shell.
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#408 2012-07-01 22:54:58
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Anything takes energy. But there is no friction, it doesn't matter how much knowledge is being stored, the brain remains empty-it's like a bottomless bag, I can put whatever I want in it, it's still empty.
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#409 2012-07-01 22:56:46
- bruce sean
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Re: Ban-free thread
joe wrote:
bruce sean wrote:
joe wrote:
So is it natural for you to talk?I have answered that already, without artificially labeling it as 'natural', or 'artificial'.
no bruce, you only justified your reasons for it...but what you communicate does not serve to lift people into bliss which it appears is what you are trying to communicate so strongly.
I am not using labels, I refuse to be caught in a wrong question. But I've explained instead that anyone in my shoes would do the same.
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#410 2012-07-01 23:25:23
Re: Ban-free thread
bruce sean wrote:
joe wrote:
bruce sean wrote:
I have answered that already, without artificially labeling it as 'natural', or 'artificial'.no bruce, you only justified your reasons for it...but what you communicate does not serve to lift people into bliss which it appears is what you are trying to communicate so strongly.
I am not using labels, I refuse to be caught in a wrong question. But I've explained instead that anyone in my shoes would do the same.
many people that thought they saw everything clearly have come before you and many more will follow and all pretty much say it the way you do. What I am asking you is why not change course, since what you are doing is not engendering positive effect for people? You want to share you say, because any sane person would, but you are not sharing, you are taking. I do not think you see that.
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#411 2012-07-01 23:33:21
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Of course, I'm not sharing: this idea of sharing implies possession; but because x or y said it, it must be true: I say it's false.
There is nothing which belongs to me, so there's nothing to share, either. I'm not looking for any 'positive effect' on people-this is what Tolle is doing; as you said, many 'appear' (my take here) to be doing the same thing, but they don't: I'm not doing that which you see I'm doing.
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#412 2012-07-01 23:34:19
#413 2012-07-01 23:39:09
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I am pointing to something which can be seen only when there is a pause in our activity; this pause is death, and most people do not want to die, so they don't appear to be seeing that which I'm pointing to, indirectly.
Because mostly I'm pointing out the necessity of death, and nobody seems to get it, except as a theory. Death is death, I'm trying to make it positive, beacause then it is not death.
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#414 2012-07-01 23:41:52
#415 2012-07-01 23:45:08
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It isn't that I persist: it is the only thing to do-there are no options. Like you said, people will transform when they will transform; see, it has more to do with the lack of listening than of changing the approach-there is no approach: one points out the false, this is the only thing to do.
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#416 2012-07-02 04:32:50
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Re: Ban-free thread
bruce sean wrote:
Anything takes energy. But there is no friction, it doesn't matter how much knowledge is being stored, the brain remains empty-it's like a bottomless bag, I can put whatever I want in it, it's still empty.
Even if your brain was empty(which it is certainly not as you show here everyday with your fragmentation), it is still conditioned like a domesticated dog, along with the rest of your cells. So what? You think a domesticated dog working a dead end job at an LA zoo is free? The only way you could possibly consider that freedom is to compare yourself with the domesticated dogs working dead end jobs who are also full of psychological baggage on top of that. Your freedom is relative and can only be considered free through comparison with the herd of brainwashed clones you live with.
"I am freer than the herd. Woopdeedoo! I am more alive than a corpse. Yay me!. I have the softest bed at San Quentin"
Compared to a body that is truly heart open and truly wild, your freedom looks/sounds/smells like the dungeon of a cold dark prison.
Relativity! Aint it great. And hey, if the State ever does throw you in prison, it matters not, paradise is only a few seconds away(just don't move the eyes).
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#417 2012-07-02 07:50:22
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bruce sean wrote:
It isn't that I persist: it is the only thing to do-there are no options. Like you said, people will transform when they will transform; see, it has more to do with the lack of listening than of changing the approach-there is no approach: one points out the false, this is the only thing to do.
pointing to the false in others is an escape from suffering...the lack of listening is a trait you display continually.
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#418 2012-07-02 21:17:08
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Re: Ban-free thread
joe wrote:
bruce sean wrote:
It isn't that I persist: it is the only thing to do-there are no options. Like you said, people will transform when they will transform; see, it has more to do with the lack of listening than of changing the approach-there is no approach: one points out the false, this is the only thing to do.
pointing to the false in others is an escape from suffering...the lack of listening is a trait you display continually.
Whether Bruce listens or not, does not matter, is irrelevent. This lack of listening is rampant on this forum, and in most humans in general. It is silly to point it out to one poster, to analyze him and diagnose him. When will these participants on here realize that this is not the purpose of this forum....
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#419 2012-07-02 21:57:28
Re: Ban-free thread
sds wrote:
joe wrote:
bruce sean wrote:
It isn't that I persist: it is the only thing to do-there are no options. Like you said, people will transform when they will transform; see, it has more to do with the lack of listening than of changing the approach-there is no approach: one points out the false, this is the only thing to do.
pointing to the false in others is an escape from suffering...the lack of listening is a trait you display continually.
Whether Bruce listens or not, does not matter, is irrelevent. This lack of listening is rampant on this forum, and in most humans in general. It is silly to point it out to one poster, to analyze him and diagnose him. When will these participants on here realize that this is not the purpose of this forum....
ummm, sds, do you realize you are doing exactly what you are deriding at the same time? Come on, the water is fine...
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#420 2012-07-02 23:56:25
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the water is fine, really?
I heard that Ohio has melted into one giant slag heap and the only survivors are people who live in their fridges.
do you even have any water left?
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#421 2012-07-03 00:12:13
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lol, it is rather warm and exceptionally dry this year, yes...warmest winter turned into warmest spring and looks to be carrying over to warmest summer, at least by the very small scale of measurement of such things...we dug a grave for our old dog yesterday and the earth is dead dry thirty inches down...
Bottom of the ninth, mother nature comes to bat. Oh yes, She definitely bats last.
as you likely know though, I was only speaking metaphorically to sds about the water here, not ohio.
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#422 2012-07-03 14:40:30
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Re: Ban-free thread
joe wrote:
bruce sean wrote:
It isn't that I persist: it is the only thing to do-there are no options. Like you said, people will transform when they will transform; see, it has more to do with the lack of listening than of changing the approach-there is no approach: one points out the false, this is the only thing to do.
pointing to the false in others is an escape from suffering...the lack of listening is a trait you display continually.
Wrong again, joe: you cannot point out the false in another unless you see it in yourself. Look at you: you cannot see the false. You are assuming that just about anybody can do it, yrt-I mean yet(no delete button)-you cannot.
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#423 2012-07-03 14:41:31
- bruce sean
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Re: Ban-free thread
sds wrote:
joe wrote:
bruce sean wrote:
It isn't that I persist: it is the only thing to do-there are no options. Like you said, people will transform when they will transform; see, it has more to do with the lack of listening than of changing the approach-there is no approach: one points out the false, this is the only thing to do.
pointing to the false in others is an escape from suffering...the lack of listening is a trait you display continually.
Whether Bruce listens or not, does not matter, is irrelevent. This lack of listening is rampant on this forum, and in most humans in general. It is silly to point it out to one poster, to analyze him and diagnose him. When will these participants on here realize that this is not the purpose of this forum....
Bruce is listening, but others don't like being negated...
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#424 2012-07-03 14:51:04
#425 2012-07-03 14:54:38
- bruce sean
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Re: Ban-free thread
On the contrary, I'm not reinforcing anything. If I did, that entity which others seem to point at as being this or that, would feel something. But there's only listening, out of which talking comes.
The fact is, I hear everybody, everything that is being said. And others don't like what I have to say-it is illogical to conclude that listening is missing.
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