KFA - Krishnamurti Foundation of America

bruce sean wrote:

Not by your definition, that's for sure. Nothing has changed" I was working then, I'm working now.
  I'm actually losing money by typing here...

ok maybe it was two or three years ago, but no big deal.  Not a security guard, not a bill collector, typing here makes you lose money, authority, reward and punishment...anything else you want to add?

bruce sean wrote:

Commonly known by who? Who concocts diagnostics, who labels: 'the messiah complex'? The fragmented mind looks and what it sees is of no interest to me.

  And speaking of me, I didn't say I was not working, that is your conclusion. It doesn't matter what the one covering the costs feels(if there was such a person): that person/persons feels/feel nothing but suffering, and by supporting this person they are doing something different than just perpetuating conflict.

people never feel nothing but suffering, no matter how bad it gets there are reprieves
your mum or dad feel a lot more and have a lot more going on than you think they do .

RJ wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

Commonly known by who? Who concocts diagnostics, who labels: 'the messiah complex'? The fragmented mind looks and what it sees is of no interest to me.

  And speaking of me, I didn't say I was not working, that is your conclusion. It doesn't matter what the one covering the costs feels(if there was such a person): that person/persons feels/feel nothing but suffering, and by supporting this person they are doing something different than just perpetuating conflict.

people never feel nothing but suffering, no matter how bad it gets there are reprieves
your mum or dad feel a lot more and have a lot more going on than you think they do .

Apart from the double negation, it seems like a contradiction: they suffer, yet they have something else going on for them. And one more time: my dad is dead, no afterlife. Period.

  As for suffering, of course, there are little pleasures here and there: but make no mistake, there is no bliss.

bruce is a head-hunter

and an immortal one.. wow

So whats up Kirsten? Going to any demonstrations as of late? Any occupy movements? Hows things going in your country? Peaceful or revolting? What is going on within you?

and it can't be owned

bruce sean wrote:

Eden wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

Healthy human being? I don't see any.

And you never will.  They don't hang out in your circles.

Aah, I'm glad you said that: you know how they say, 'she's out of my league'? Well, not having a league, I'm out of all leagues, and everybody is out of my league, since I don't have one!

Yes, you are the one out of all leagues (and a new identity is born). Seems to me you are full of it and oinking in it.

"everybody is out of my league" ...another way of saying "my genes are coming to an end very very very soon"

CB wrote:

night wrote:

hi sds,

I think you are mixing two things here: the need to reinforce boundaries (i.e. ego) and a style. They are unrelated. This place is for those who like to jostle and challenge, in the spirit of presence.

What about what one needs? It is not true that everyone needs the same things at the same time. There are definitely innate preferences, inclinations and styles, as well as preferences based on the stage of life one finds oneself in. For a old man, a nice shady tree and a cup of tea might great. For a toddler, a playground is much more interesting.

Then there are those who grow best in an environment of support and communion. Others grow better in an environment of challenge and solitude. Then are also those who need therapy and get upset by the slightest noise. And then there are those who don't care about fixing themselves as much as giving there gift to the world regardless.

So the insistence on dialoguing in a particular way is a narrowing and only invites policing. My approach is: if you need to go to the hospital, then go there. If you need to go to the boxing ring, then go there. If you need to hold hand with your friend and chat, then do that. Just be clear on what you want, yet recognizing that this is not the only way of life for all beings.

Hi Night,

This is interesting for me, because I also feel that there are different styles and approaches. But I'm not sure that is all work all lovey-dovey like that, because power is power, and power has a funny way of setting the atmosphere. The loudest, most aggressive, rambunctious, abnoxious, indifferent, confrontational, superficial, whatever, tends inevitably to set the tone, or at least continually disrupt it.

A person in ripped jeans who strolls into the public park with a boom box and starts a ganster rap competition with his buddies, has no problem whatsoever with the two people sitting by the tree trying to take a nap or have a serious conversation. But the reverse is not so much true. Well, particularly so if that rapper's objective is to interfere with the conversation or take over the "territory."

It's lovey but not always dovey. It's lovey-snakey too.

night wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

Eden wrote:

And you never will.  They don't hang out in your circles.

Aah, I'm glad you said that: you know how they say, 'she's out of my league'? Well, not having a league, I'm out of all leagues, and everybody is out of my league, since I don't have one!

Yes, you are the one out of all leagues (and a new identity is born). Seems to me you are full of it and oinking in it.

When you're out of all leagues, you don't exist. Check mate!

wilbro99 wrote:

kirsten, yep, same sort of thought hit me; if nothing else, bruce is going to fact you to death.

I don't know what that means.

willy: "…to fact you to death."

night: "Good one. The question is: who has the biggest fact? The biggest fact takes all."

Ha! What a play on words! All is the biggest fact!