KFA - Krishnamurti Foundation of America

awareness sez: "observing, seeing, listening, intelligence, compassion, truth, freedom, meditation, understanding is in which there is the beginning and ending of the subject."

and asks: "is this the true nature of human being?"

The question seems to me to be asking the question of what it must look like to act as it does. If so, one of the meanings of true nature just went belly up. It is the true nature of round objects to roll downhill. Here is my answer to the question of true nature.

The reactive self is not the problem, but a manifestation of the problem? The problem is one of being behind the curve with what is going on.

Why is this so? Because the reactive self is a sign that the entity is caught up in its second reflection and is therefore always one cycle behind the curve.

And what can be done about it? That's a piece of cake, that one. Set up any condition that allows for an at-once reflection.

But how can that be done? Simple. Simply set this reactive self loose to observe how it reacts to its reactions. Once it gets with its reactions, that second reflection can no longer support itself, there being no between for it to occupy.

The true nature of a human being is then one of awareness of what is going on. Like, survive! When that human being catches sight of itself from another distance, the distance of comprehension, it automatically reads another being into being, and that double reading is the reason for the lag time.

The second reflection must look into the past to see itself, which is the reason for the delay of that identity to catch up to what is going on. The ending of that second reflection tosses one into the timeless, where yet another puzzle awaits…

[edit is just more nonsense about finding the changes made here enclosed in brackets]

Last edited by wilbro99 (2012-06-15 18:03:06)

natura wrote:

awareness wrote:

observing, seeing, listening, intelligence, compassion, truth, freedom, meditation, understanding is in which there is the beginning and ending of the subject.

is this the true nature of human being?

The true nature of human being is beyond the words, awareness. Why do you ask such a question?

why not? its a forum, with questions, answers, statements etc.

Awareness wrote: observing, seeing, listening, intelligence, compassion, truth, freedom, meditation, understanding is in which there is the beginning and ending of the subject.

is this the true nature of human being?

it is an excellent question


eating, shitting, crawling, hiding, being eaten, being afraid

is this the true nature of a caterpillar?

kirsten wrote:

he could not stand the stillness and started a wild guess
just to make some noise so he won't forget being alive

Sorry, Kirsten, what was that again? Could you explane it?

awareness wrote:

observing, seeing, listening, intelligence, compassion, truth, freedom, meditation, understanding is in which there is the beginning and ending of the subject.

is this the true nature of human being?

What about the object? Because many a time, the object is the creation of the subject.

natura wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

awareness wrote:

observing, seeing, listening, intelligence, compassion, truth, freedom, meditation, understanding is in which there is the beginning and ending of the subject.

is this the true nature of human being?

What about the object? Because many a time, the object is the creation of the subject.

Do you mean by that the object is the subject itself and there is no difference?

exactly.

bruce sean wrote:

awareness wrote:

observing, seeing, listening, intelligence, compassion, truth, freedom, meditation, understanding is in which there is the beginning and ending of the subject.

is this the true nature of human being?

What about the object? Because many a time, the object is the creation of the subject.

i mean any kind of subject/object. because the object is the subject, because the observer is conditioned, the object cant be seen independently from the observer.

awareness wrote:

natura wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

What about the object? Because many a time, the object is the creation of the subject.

Do you mean by that the object is the subject itself and there is no difference?

exactly.

OK, we know that statement mentioned in many ancient teachings, well developed by Krishnamurti, widely known and said everywhere now and particularly often repeated on this forum:

The thinker is the thought.

So what?

awareness wrote:

natura wrote:

awareness wrote:

exactly.

OK, we know that statement mentioned in many ancient teachings, well developed by Krishnamurti, widely known and said everywhere now and particularly often repeated on this forum:

The thinker is the thought.

So what?

yes, right. nothing. must be there a what?

Isn’t it that the statement has to be open by experiencing?

…or endless discussions about would satisfy us?

awareness wrote:

observing, seeing, listening, intelligence, compassion, truth, freedom, meditation, understanding is in which there is the beginning and ending of the subject.

is this the true nature of human being?

Yes indeed. True nature of human being mentioned is the instant ending of pyschological time that breeds conflicts and disorders in daily life. This true nature helps the human being to do his ordinary activities free from mistakes and keep them in its right place and does not bring in the pyshcological field.

natura wrote:

awareness wrote:

natura wrote:

OK, we know that statement mentioned in many ancient teachings, well developed by Krishnamurti, widely known and said everywhere now and particularly often repeated on this forum:

The thinker is the thought.

So what?

yes, right. nothing. must be there a what?

Isn’t it that the statement has to be open by experiencing?

…or endless discussions about would satisfy us?

's about how you see it.

awareness wrote:

natura wrote:

awareness wrote:

yes, right. nothing. must be there a what?

Isn’t it that the statement has to be open by experiencing?

…or endless discussions about would satisfy us?

's about how you see it.

How I see what?