KFA - Krishnamurti Foundation of America

If there is no path, then every path is the right path.

Why is that?

Because only by taking the wrong path can one come across the right path.

And what is the wrong path?

it is any path you take.

Ha! I just quoted myself!

Reflecting K, I reviewed what I posted around 1999 at my home page.  BTW, Willy, I could not find the K's book you gave me: http://web.archive.org/web/200308140143 … ki.has.it/

This is a part from that:
Can one look at oneself non-verbally? This means to remove the barrier of criticism, judgment and condemnation and just observe. With a mind free of condemnation and judgment and all the rest of it, then surely the space between you and the thing observed disappears: then you are not there, looking over the wall. You are that…And when you are that, there comes a difficulty. Before, you observed it as something separate from yourself, whereas you now observe it without that separation. But any movement you make with regard to that must still be a movement from the outside. But if you look at it without any movement – that is, look at it in complete silence – then that which is observed out of silence is not the same as it was when you looked at it over the wall. p.121

If you can look at "what is" absolutely without any distortion, you will see that the whole thing undergoes a tremendous change. – p.122

Observe but don’t escape as escape breeds fear. But if you are aware that it is an escape, then everything changes. P.123

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Interesting that he mentioned re: observing non-verbally.  The same point I mentioned in the blog yesterday.  Also interesting is the quote of "escape" at the end.  That ties with my experience at Vipassana I also mentioned in my blog re: Eckhart Tolle:
http://newherosjourney.blogspot.com/201 … itual.html

Well...  I like what I read there...re: K's work.  I also remember K+B dialogue very good.  My guess is that many people appear to be interested/caught up in discussion based on their experiences/understanding so that they may miss that silent, nonverbal awareness and related process to breakthrough/stepping out, that is pointed to by K and B.

The essence is there in those quote.  and that is K's Koan if one is serious to go jump into that pond!

Old pond,
where are the frogs?
ahh, they are somewhere else splashing around...

suzakico wrote:

I finish writing something called; Deeper Level of Connection and Communication
http://newherosjourney.blogspot.com/201 … n-and.html

This is a part of the post FYI - any feedback is most welcome (Did I put head on top of head?  Most likely...Anyway, I tried my way):

Here are indicative signs of being connected to Heart as I see it;
-  Sense of being in present moment
-  Vivid sense of sensation, aliveness, liveliness
-  Mind is clear and quiet; beginner's mind, no mind
-  Soft eyes (Eyes are not glued to the specific object)...see without seeing - very intuitive
-  Body/muscle is relaxed; There is a sense of effortlessness
-  There is no sense of ego/self; i.e., desire-less
-  It is as if a channel opens by itself from deep within
-  Mind and body are one (e.g., mind move shows up in bodily sensation)
-  There is a sense of serenity, peace, arriving/being at home
-  Wisdom and /or compassion come naturally; delusions/sufferings are resolved
-  Sense of living truthfully
-  Sense of Ki (Life energy); Blissful sensation
-  Sense of accessing unconscious where infinite potential resides
-  Sense of oneness; non-duality; sense of oneness with the universe
-  Sense of mind and body being 'healthy'
-  Sense of love, bliss, and intimacy to all


Signs of benefits/awareness:
-  Brain and Heart find a connection
-  Heart to heart  communication between people is possible
-  This deeper level communication may be manifested as wisdom and compassion
-  Paradox of human existence is resolved (in oneness)
-  Bliss in various activities, e.g., work, hobby, relationship, health, and the sense of genuine security in any situation
-  Discover new meaning of intimacy, e.g., sexual union, non-sexual relationship, Aikido, etc.  The list is infinite.
-  All of these corresponds to "living truthfully"

To sum up, however hard we may feel at times, and however is the thorny bush we may have to go through, the path we are taking as new heroes is precisely for its own good.  It should become more and more self evident as we move on.

this is confused,
what for all these words?
who are you trying to help? did they ask for your assistance?

suzakico wrote:

May you dream the impossible dream!
http://newherosjourney.blogspot.com/201 … d-nhj.html

Go out, charge the windmill,
fall in love with Dulcenea,
and to reach the unreachable star...

be the child, have a dream, have fun!
Find the hero within!  Be alive!

a bit of K might help with that, have you tried him? Incomprehensible?

Zen is pure essence, unpolluted, uncorrupted by any non-essential. You cannot take away anything from Zen, because it is only a declaration of your self-nature; neither can you add anything to Zen, because anything added will be artificial.

Zen is absolutely in favor of nature. It is not against entertainment; in fact only Zen is capable of laughing, of entertainment, but its entertainment is not different from its enlightenment. The very quality of entertainment differs.

J. Krishnamurti, a man who struggled for ninety years – his last words have some great meaning. One of my friends was present there. Krishnamurti lamented, he lamented his whole life. He lamented that “people have taken me as an entertainment. They come to listen to me….” There are people who have listened to him for fifty years continually, and still they are the same people as had come for the first time to listen to him.

Naturally it is annoying and irritating that the same people…Most of them I know, because J. Krishnamurti used to come only once a year for two or three weeks to Bombay, and slowly, slowly all his followers in Bombay became acquainted with me. They all were sad about this point: What should be done? How can we make Krishnamurti happy?

The reason was that Krishnamurti only talked, but never gave any devices in which whatever he was talking about became an experience. It was totally his fault. Whatever he was saying was absolutely right, but he was not creating the right climate, the right milieu in which it could become a seed. Of course he was very much disappointed with humanity, and that there was not a single person who had become enlightened through his teachings. His teachings have all the seeds, but he never prepared the ground.

Zen does not deny entertainment the way J. Krishnamurti condemned it in his last testament to the world. He said, “Religion is not entertainment.” That’s true, but enlightenment can be vast enough to include entertainment in it.

Enlightenment can be multidimensional. It can include laughter, it can include love, it can include beauty, it can include creativity. There is nothing to keep it from the world and from transforming the world into a more poetic place, a more beautiful garden. Everything can be brought to a better state of grace.

Zen does not talk about great principles, that has to be noted. It simply creates the device and leaves you to find the way out. Obviously it has been immensely successful. Not a single Zen master has ever lamented that “my disciples have not listened to me. I have been an utterly disappointed failure. Humanity has betrayed me.” Not a single Zen master even mentions it once.

If something does not succeed, that only means your device was not right. You have not looked into the person and into his potential rightly. Perhaps your device was good for somebody else but not for this person.


From Osho, Rinzai: Master of the Irrational, Chapter 5

RJ wrote:

joe wrote:

curious, she is just trying to share her story, why do you not let her?  Are you seriously attempting to take my place as the forum cop, is that it?!  Twenty paces, willy get out the pop guns!

why in the world would you think he is a she?
the many signs of the male ego are there in their finest attire...

sharing stories, wonderful, this is what warms us by the fire on our long and lonely journey through the dark

looking to dis K, propagate Zen and find more followers, hardly.

anyway those are just first impressions, I am asking questions and talking with this chap because I am trying to get to know him, booger off with the unsolicited censorship!

yes, I am doing the same with LMP, so I will make you that deal.  You stay out of chasing me all over and I shall do the same for you.  Deal? Nah, scratch that, I hate making deals like that.  I did assume kio was a woman but likely because I have a woman friend named kio here in ohio.  We are all propagating something here RJ, don't you think?  Or do you think you are not propagating anything?

Last edited by joe (2012-06-08 08:48:51)

feaclefloof:) hehe yes the spammers do have extraordinary names

I have an invitation to give a seminar, etc. in Indonesia..in October
(So, plan to go surfing in Bali, hopefully to combine)
I am thinking of getting to the bones! core!!! heart!

although words and concepts are vehicle to share some idea,
what is important is invisible (Saint Exupery)

so I am thinking of doing some exercise / personal interaction with group separate from seminars and company visits

It is always hard to crack the dense logically oriented mind... lol
(including my own - although I like massaging it quite a lot)

So, I plan doing aikido...a various version - like to demonstrate...
and let people to practice in a small scale...

Right, Zen is good, in there is aikido in there (like mondo - Q&A)

But physically, and spiritually sensing (third eye) is critical
What is it otherwise, if we do not connect to have that.

It is a pity...as a human.....with that capability
Just my floating thought of the day.

Good day,
Kio

I decided to offer a course at UCLA extension re: New Hero's Journey.  See if this may fly.
Here is the course outline/proposal I submitted:

This course is for individuals to develop self-management skills in any organization relating to its strategy and operations as well as applying the same skill to manage one's own life harmoniously with calm and quiet mind.

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This course aims to develop self-management skills (e.g., leadership, motivation, problem-solving) to become the master of one's own destiny at work and in personal life.  There will be lectures and discussions tied to the quality management theory as well as various exercises oriented for real life applications.

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If they are interested, we may meet and I will share my ideas - which could be somewhat difficult yet interesting.  In 2002 when I wrote Results from the Heart, very few people got the idea applied in business except Dalai Lama (foreword) and Steven Covey (endorsement) et. al supported the idea.  Ten years later, I am still figuring out a way to communicate.  It is becoming almost like summary of my life.. the idea of New Hero's Journey.

It would be interesting to share ideas and practice ideas like Aikido and meditation connected to managing one's life and his work.  Will see....

FYI, From my friend's blog - the guy I met at Aikido.

Messages for Sam:

1.    Live to manage fear. You will be afraid, but do not live a life based on fear. This is the one thing which will ruin your life.
2.    Live for no regrets. Experience everything. Always assume today is your last so that on your deathbed you will never say “If only” or “I wish”.
3.    Protect your reputation. Always tell the truth and always do your absolute best.
4.    Minimize. You don’t need a lot. Happiness doesn’t come from stuff – it comes from life.
5.    Be Frugal. Always spend as little as possible. If you have extra – give it to charity. Do good with it. But always make sure you have a safety reserve, because as much as we might not like to face it, the world revolves on money.
6.    Remember Thoreau – ‘the mass of humanity lead lives of quiet desperation’. Don’t lead such a life.
7.    Never stop learning. Life is knowledge and knowledge is life.
8.    Our job on this planet is stewardship – without that there will be no planet and we will have no real meaning.
9.    Your life is yours. Don’t let anyone else take it over, whether a lover, a boss, the state – no one.
10.    Make sure you know your God. We are spiritual beings having a human experience. I don’t care who or what your God is or looks like, just make sure you know.
11.    Learn to fill “now” as fully as possible.
12.    Never be afraid to ask for and stand up for what you want.
13.    Make everyone your friend and then cling to them. Keep your family as close as possible, no matter how small or removed. Not everyone will be your friend, but try. Learn from Will Rogers.
14.    Anything is possible. Nothing, in fact, is impossible, unless we chose to make it so.
15.    Quality. Quality. Quality.
16.    Don’t be afraid to fail. You will. That’s cool. You only really fail when you are afraid to try.
17.    Diversity and complexity – that is the natural state of all life in the universe. Embrace it.
18.    Take responsibility. Not for others – for yourself. Do whatever you want, but take responsibility for what you do.
19.    You don’t need to be right all the time. And when you’re not right, that’s ok. You don’t need to do anything about it except learn.
20.    Freedom means having choices. Taking away a man’s freedom you prevent him from having any choices. No matter what situation you find yourself in, as long as you have a choice – even the simplest – you remain free. Treasure that.

I like this, a good reference re: work component of Life Profile:

List from Ashley Acker, Ph.D, over at Work Style Design of 15 ideas you can stop doing at work in 2009:

Stop being busy rather than productive.
Stop going to meetings where your input isn’t needed or required.
Stop managing by walking around.
Stop commuting during rush hour in bumper to bumper traffic.
Stop assuming that because someone is at their desk they’re doing work.
Stop putting off taking that much needed vacation.
Stop writing that ridiculous report that’s required, but has no point (e.g., TPS Report).
Stop worrying about the length of your colleague’s lunch break.
Stop writing guidelines and policies for your employees to follow.
Stop running ineffective meetings.
Stop tracking what time people come in to the office in the morning and leave at night.
Stop dictating what work/life balance should look like for your employees and colleagues.
Stop rewarding people based on time rather than results.
Stop working against your unique workstyle (the time, place, & way you do your best work).
Stop controlling how others work and let them figure out what works best.

suzakico wrote:

Then, I saw this part in his blog.  Until then, I did not know who U2 was although I have heard of their name....LOL:

Bono is hugely successful and wants for nothing. He is revered as one of the world’s most recognizable celebrities everywhere on earth.

Bono is an idiot...