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Thank you SDS for your input.Hugging is not common in India.; but I always hug my l'l daughter and more little son, its really feel great.

Peace to you Ekanta . There are two kinds of people in this world . Those that know we are all similar, and those that do not mostly judging others psychologically as inferior explorers and inquirers . Going around  telling everyone else what to do, and not doing anything really important except beating the shallow drum of vanity, they do not see as themselves ?  Enjoy your trip to India Ekanta.  I think some here  without even knowing it are  only helping you get used to the hot air, and nasty business of pretend  Gurus who are also messed up, bitter  and confused,only giving lip service to love, wisdom or intelligence  there, even like here  demeaning others merely  to bolster themselves up .Most of us have a a bipolar self like some here who are so volatile,  and dishonest themselves . Maybe some are not as blind to our own violence as a few here, but we have the same rights to express ourselves as they do and i commend you for speaking up for yourself .  :-)

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Ekanta wrote:

Nice to meet you too
I was just thinking, maybe I come to give you a hug,
I will be in Delli, and around,
Let me know...maybe we meet some where,
Loot of love,
Thank you for the reply...
Ekanta

Hello again ,Ekanta
Welcome here in advance; though we don't know future.
A person always sit just nearby me and I feel irresistible desire to hug her, out of affection, but it has never happened, so sometime most possible things are impossible.
Well, thank you very much for your concern, hope for the best.

Ekanta wrote:

Oh, Dhiendra I met so good couple from India here in Thai, they live in London for long time, they are from Jain Religion, I think this is the right name, oh so lovely people, so warm, and so hug boll, hahahhahahug boll, sorry, I created words,
But is so nice, also to write about HUGS, make fell good and warm...
So, maybe I do not see you, but I send. Big warm hug with full of love to you Dhiendra, I went in India many times, more in Poona, I love it.
Ekanta

You are right about Jain community, they are comparatively free from odd Indian traditions.My one cousin sister lives in Pune(poona), but I have never visited it so far .I am not a good traveler , but may be, some day I become a passionate traveler.
And for as a topic of discussion on 'hugs', all credit goes to our good friend Samatha/Pearl.

Ekanta wrote:

dhirendra wrote:

Ekanta wrote:

Nice to meet you too
I was just thinking, maybe I come to give you a hug,
I will be in Delli, and around,
Let me know...maybe we meet some where,
Loot of love,
Thank you for the reply...
Ekanta

Hello again ,Ekanta
Welcome here in advance; though we don't know future.
A person always sit just nearby me and I feel irresistible desire to hug her, out of affection, but it has never happened, so sometime most possible things are impossible.
Well, thank you very much for your concern, hope for the best.

Thank you so much my Dear,
Please fell free to email me,
I will love to have contact with you
My music has loot of Indian influence...
Thank you so much for welcome me,
Love
Ekanta

Beside that, I being dancing Kathak for long time...and mixing with Samba and contemporary..
So reach INdIA, mother of the ORIENT! I always lissened take orientation...in the Orient....

Ekanta When you do what you Love for its own sake who has the authority to say that is an illusion or delusion that is not deluded themselves ? Hug everyone for me dear . Hugs to you to . :-)

Ekanta wrote:

everyone wrote:

Peace to you Ekanta . There are two kinds of people in this world . Those that know we are all similar, and those that do not mostly judging others psychologically as inferior explorers and inquirers . Going around  telling everyone else what to do, and not doing anything really important except beating the shallow drum of vanity, they do not see as themselves ?  Enjoy your trip to India Ekanta.  I think some here  without even knowing it are  only helping you get used to the hot air, and nasty business of pretend  Gurus who are also messed up, bitter  and confused,only giving lip service to love, wisdom or intelligence  there, even like here  demeaning others merely  to bolster themselves up . :-)

Dear Everyone, I love your name.
Thank you so much and peace back to you...in your heart.
Yes, you are right many GURU...I will be concentrate in my work, that I am not shame to say here in public to you, is my dream, created and record my cd, so I still have this Illusion, and want make it....so, today a peace day, loot of gratitude to Thai people...I rested so much here...and sleep a loot...such special country too Everyone...is very difficult to communicated here, because they do not speak English, but the nice thunk is...it is no bargain in the street, so the poorest, blend old man or woman, is with his or her microphone singing...hard workers...I like that...
I wish you all the best, in ever you are doing...even just drinking a nice tea or a coffee..
And, this is a hug Subject quote,
A big hug to you, with a loot of love from me...
Ekanta

Good to know that you are a singer and classical dancer, Ekanta,about music, I listen it mostly when I travel to my work place,  but I have not a  voice for singing;-)

dhirendra wrote:

Ekanta wrote:

Nice to meet you too
I was just thinking, maybe I come to give you a hug,
I will be in Delli, and around,
Let me know...maybe we meet some where,
Loot of love,
Thank you for the reply...
Ekanta

Hello again ,Ekanta
Welcome here in advance; though we don't know future.
A person always sit just nearby me and I feel irresistible desire to hug her, out of affection, but it has never happened, so sometime most possible things are impossible.
Well, thank you very much for your concern, hope for the best.

Here is something interesting. I have met several women who were not into hugging. When I asked them if I could give them a hug when we met or were leaving, they said no, were not comfortable with it.

I later found out that both these women were sleeping around with men and yet they felt uncomfortable hugging, like it was too intimate. The paradoxes I found out.

It reminds me of a prostitute who will have sex with a guy, but wont kiss him because it is too intimate. Like sex isnt too intimate, oh the paradoxes.....

I came to see that some of these women were hurt in the past, had some traumas or something and did not like to get too close to anybody, they didnt feel comfortable.

But over the years, I have met many women and men who like to hug and connect that way. But you have to respect those who are not into it and not try to force it on them, in my opinion. Each to their own.

And lastly, just remember to make sure it is for the right reasons, and not for sexual reasons, for sexual touch. That corrupts it, taints it, if it is to get close to a woman, to feel anything that way, any sort of arousal. It is so easy to deceive ourselves and say we are hugging out of love or affection or care, when it is really just for our sexual gratification.

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sds wrote:

pearl wrote:

dhirendra wrote:

You are right, Indian are more hypocrite.
Anyway, I am going to learn this art, may be by trial and error method;-)

Sounds great, dhirendra, and one little advice- don't make it a sexual thing, or sqeeze too tight, but let it be full of genuine affection and let the person you are hugging melt in to your hug and don't hug too long! :-)

I am an expert hugger. I have experimented with hugging, with both males and females.

And sometimes the longer the hug, the more powerful. So it need not be limited to short hugs as Pearl suggests.

However, she is right, a true, real hug, has nothing to do with the sexual. If there is any lust or sexual feelings involved, it will not be real, will just be a superficial, shoddy thing, a way to get to touch another.

But when it is based on affection and care and genuineness as Pearl suggests, it can be quite powerful and heart opening. I have felt tears well up in my eyes during these hugs.

Our culture is so desperate for human touch and warmth, we lack it so much and crave it so much, that when we receive it, we well up with joy at times.

Nice discussion between the two of you and wanted to add my little knowledge about this subject.

SDS sweet love, you're so welcome to join us and give us more tips so we can become expert huggers.lol.  Wonderful that you give great hugs.  Mostly I'm uncomfortable in the way most people hug and so to me to discover this amazing man's hugs that are full of spontaenity and affection kinda blows my mind.  I never knew, atleast not in a long time how wonderful a hug can be and even wonderful when it's from the opposite sex like my friend who's interestingly a very private and reserved person as told by the people he works with but the other day when I was leaving the store he so gently but abruptly takes my hand out of the blue and kisses it lightly and everyone around gasped.  The whole store went silent and what a wonderful, gentle kiss, I was blown away too since I never expected.  Anyways, the not hugging for too long is esp when with those you just met, or those who're not too comfortable being hugged, but with people you're close to it's fine.  My son and I hug a lot and it's the first time in many years that a grown male comes to love so spontaneously and my body is totally relaxed and a bit amused and surprised.  It's the person himself full of warmth and I can feel it when he hugs me or holds my hand, but hey, I'm not addcited to it nor expecting to have more of it.  Just sharing.

Much love to you, and keep well.  Will talk more later as it's time to go out for now.

Rhank you my Dear EVERYONE...is nice to hear that...take guilt from my back...
So nice, many hugs back...
My heart is with you...and in this Forum too
So nice moments...
Good night beloved friend, will sleep in peace...
Enjoy now and ever...
Love
Ekanta

Teulada wrote:

Ekanta wrote:

Take care of ypur life and live me alone

Dearest Ekanta,

most people live their whole existences without  ever learning how to *truly LIVE their own* life and leave other people around them the f**** alone!

Not talking about Pear here. I don't know if she does it and quite frankly I don't care. I am just talking in general.

I am just saying that dear old Jiddu (God bless him) failed to identify 'boredom' as the most surreptitious and dangerous of all of the human mind's enemies (No, of course he did not really fail to see this, because underlying boredom there is still the 'self', but I just needed K to get my point across .... ).

Utter boredom and the stupidity on which it grows, rather than pain, suffering, agony, anxiety and what have you, is what makes 99% of people stick their curious, mischievous, petty little noses into everybody else's life and by doing so they do a much greater amount of harm than their clogged, stupid little minds would ever conceive.

T <putting soap box away>

Ok, I went to the dictionary to found out about what is Boredom, and I would like to read about what K says...what you sad is so trues...and the world going bananas...so let's save our support here to another, to our brotherhood and sisterhood...we are learning...nice to hear from you, sending you again a tend hug...ekanta

sds wrote:

pearl wrote:

sds wrote:

I am an expert hugger. I have experimented with hugging, with both males and females.

And sometimes the longer the hug, the more powerful. So it need not be limited to short hugs as Pearl suggests.

However, she is right, a true, real hug, has nothing to do with the sexual. If there is any lust or sexual feelings involved, it will not be real, will just be a superficial, shoddy thing, a way to get to touch another.

But when it is based on affection and care and genuineness as Pearl suggests, it can be quite powerful and heart opening. I have felt tears well up in my eyes during these hugs.

Our culture is so desperate for human touch and warmth, we lack it so much and crave it so much, that when we receive it, we well up with joy at times.

Nice discussion between the two of you and wanted to add my little knowledge about this subject.

SDS sweet love, you're so welcome to join us and give us more tips so we can become expert huggers.lol.  Wonderful that you give great hugs.  Mostly I'm uncomfortable in the way most people hug and so to me to discover this amazing man's hugs that are full of spontaenity and affection kinda blows my mind.  I never knew, atleast not in a long time how wonderful a hug can be and even wonderful when it's from the opposite sex like my friend who's interestingly a very private and reserved person as told by the people he works with but the other day when I was leaving the store he so gently but abruptly takes my hand out of the blue and kisses it lightly and everyone around gasped.  The whole store went silent and what a wonderful, gentle kiss, I was blown away too since I never expected.  Anyways, the not hugging for too long is esp when with those you just met, or those who're not too comfortable being hugged, but with people you're close to it's fine.  My son and I hug a lot and it's the first time in many years that a grown male comes to love so spontaneously and my body is totally relaxed and a bit amused and surprised.  It's the person himself full of warmth and I can feel it when he hugs me or holds my hand, but hey, I'm not addcited to it nor expecting to have more of it.  Just sharing.

Much love to you, and keep well.  Will talk more later as it's time to go out for now.

Awww, how nice and sweet, this gentleman showing some affection towards you, through love and touch and gentle kissing.

I have to laugh at myself, at my use of words, when I called myself an expert hugger, that is an exaggeration. I am still learning myself, but meant, I did have some experience in this area and wanted to share it.

I really like your sharing in the above and in the other posts. All great points you make. It touches on many fundamental themes, topics that most K people have looked into, find interesting. We have to watch ourselves and see over and over if we are really coming from love, or from some selfish motive. And in the area of touching, affection, one has to be especially careful, watchful. I have caught myself many times coming from the wrong motive. I have seen it in action.

When my Father was dying in Hospice, two young and attractive ladies came to give him a shave and what not. Just the touch by them made him feel good, and he beamed, and he called them Angels. Just human touch, a little touch and affection, we all need it and want it. Babies who do not get touched and loved and held, sometimes die or grow up lacking a lot.

K used to touch people a lot, especially by holding peoples hands. He expressed his love, compassion, through his touch a lot.

As for hugging from the opposite sex, we can learn a lot from it. We get to see ourselves in action, how we feel deserving or not deserving, feel a need for it or no need for it, our aversion towards it or going towards it, it brings so many things up for us to look at it. And also, same thing when hugging the same sex, it brings up a lot too to look at.

Thanks again for your wonderful sharing and insights, they are right on.

Beautifully said, SDS, and the clarity in your words is a breath of fresh air.  Loved what you say about how, "We have to watch ourselves and see over and over if we are really coming from love, or from some selfish motive. And in the area of touching, affection, one has to be especially careful, watchful. I have caught myself many times coming from the wrong motive. I have seen it in action."  I mean wow, that's profound.  It's totally important that our actions are appropriate, even our touch.

Yes, yes seeing your fathers face beamin with a beautiful smile with the touch of those beautiful women.  Wow, aren't women beautiful?  I find all women beautiful esp where I live they're such incredible persons and a few hrs ago I was in the presence of two amazing women simply joking, sharing, and suddenly felt a deep peace and connectivity.  Abruptly there seemed to fill in the room a wonderful uplifting energy and all women there touched by that incredible beauty that surrounded us.  Time, the me disappeared.  They all seemed to glow with this and I was in worldess awe.   Real sweet there was this wonderful woman friend who kept looking into my face for long time and said,"that's cool that I don't feel hesitant to look into your face, and you seem to look really look at people" and kept staring into my face like a baby would. Actually I feel surrounded by great kindred spirits, totally opening up and receiving life with open arms.  How incredibly nice is that.  Touch is great but there is also something powerful about totally being in the present where ever you are, with whom ever you are.  And gosh, sorry to go on but my heart bubbles up with great affection for you, for dhi and a few of my friends on here, grateful for the kindness and the generosity of your hearts and minds which makes it possible to learn, see, die together, and without effort!  Seriously and without exaggeration you guys rock.  I've known dhi for a while and he has never once been angry, impolite or abusive, or rude with me, a true frieind I would say. :-)