KFA - Krishnamurti Foundation of America

tree wrote:

natura wrote:

tree wrote:

…walk on, there is nothing to fear

(rest too)

tree wrote:

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljf0h … o1_500.jpg

Looks like a peculiar suggestion, doesn’t it?

nice spot for a picnic

Sure, you ask too much from a young lady, tree.

Krishnamurti teaching is definitely not a compendium for suicide.
However negative it speaks about this human dimension it doesn’t abolish it.
It doesn’t abolish picnics, doesn’t abolish boy-girl-friends, doesn’t condemn families and children.

Ekanta wrote:

natura wrote:

tree wrote:

nice spot for a picnic

Sure, you ask too much from a young lady, tree.

Krishnamurti teaching is definitely not a compendium for suicide.
However negative it speaks about this human dimension it doesn’t abolish it.
It doesn’t abolish picnics, doesn’t abolish boy-girl-friends, doesn’t condemn families and children.

Nature and Tree
I see booth sides of what Natura is saying, I am taking here this forum as a school...Tree I like you very much...but maybe some time...we can be a bit to much for some one that is in a momento...but any how...I like to be here, and this Tree is real, I am not joking much, even I am joking, you understand...is good we are all alert...
Thank you

And thank you Nature, thank you very much, it was important to read your last sentence...we are alert...Thank you for care...so good...very good...and smart...and very therapeutic...

Ekanta wrote:

Ekanta wrote:

tree wrote:

nice spot for a picnic

I do not want to pick Ike there

Treeeeeeeee, Treeeeeeeee
Hahahahhahahahahhahah
Huhuuhhuhuuhuhuhuhuhu
I am just...incomparable
Hahhahahahahahahhahhah
I am really loafing...

keep well, dear Ekanta

natura wrote:

RJ wrote:

natura wrote:

mostly because we don’t want to

yes you alluded to this the other day and I was going to write a response but... anyway

I am familiar with this idea of sabotage.
that people use addiction, for example, to keep their life-force dependent and 'down'
that we are as fundamentally frightened by the light as much as the dark
somewhere nice and safe, lukewarm, dimly lit, is where we wish to remain, undisturbed...

I'm not sure... is it true for you?

Generally, yes, I see it that way too.

Though, people usually don’t know what light is; they are frightened not exactly by the light itself, but rather by that what they think it might be.
But the factor to remain undisturbed is a powerful one, indeed. People accept routine of their job, lack of love in the family, hardest competition in society, poverty even recruiting to a war is mostly better than pressing of authorities.
That’s the one side of the issue in spiritual searching – fear to lose what is still in possession, however poor it might be.

There is another side which is not that much gloomy.
People, especially citizens of wealthy countries, they are just happy to be what they are. They have many things in possession, many possibilities in life and perspectives to be happy in the future.
You cannot scare people like that saying ‘the house is on fire’. They just don’t see it. They don’t want to think very much about imminent aging and death. They pay the churches and those promise them eternity in haven in return. Wars, poverty, all kind of brutalities and other world’s problems are somewhere aside.
Those people have their desires, have means to realize them, means to quench any fear if it appears and they are just proud to have a life style like that.
Why should they explore the nature of their desire? The society has enough scientists to explain anything.

For example, when Krishnamurti spoke for American government they laughed at him.

yes,

of the seventeen and a half thousand people who went to the trouble to register themselves here there are about 20, maybe less, who regularly visit and who are foolish enough, or feel moved enough, to regularly speak.

my daughter tells me last night that facebook is set to reach 1 billion later this year so at least that many people have computers or access to them and could, if they wished, seek out such forums as this.

aside from the hideous prospect of yet thousands more of us here measuring the strength of our spiritual piss can you imagine what a strange alternative to reality it would be if there were more people like us and less people like those you are describing?

There have only ever been a tiny few misfits who seek to leave the known. I imagine the percentage of those malcontented questioners, in proportion to the general society, may not have much changed over the ages as much as we, and those before us, no doubt think we are living in the most enlightened of times.

I expect it might be similar to how there is only ever about 1% of truly mad people in every society regardless of its economic, religious or cultural differences.

natura wrote:

Krishnamurti teaching is definitely not a compendium for suicide.
However negative it speaks about this human dimension it doesn’t abolish it.
It doesn’t abolish picnics, doesn’t abolish boy-girl-friends, doesn’t condemn families and children.

not sure how this relates to the conversation

natura wrote:

tree wrote:

natura wrote:

Krishnamurti teaching is definitely not a compendium for suicide.
However negative it speaks about this human dimension it doesn’t abolish it.
It doesn’t abolish picnics, doesn’t abolish boy-girl-friends, doesn’t condemn families and children.

not sure how this relates to the conversation

So what do you mean, tree? The conversation in this tread or on the matter of Krishnamurti generally?

where ever you feel it applies

Ekanta wrote:

tree wrote:

natura wrote:

So what do you mean, tree? The conversation in this tread or on the matter of Krishnamurti generally?

where ever you feel it applies

When we ignore a though, and to exercise to ignore, as playing imaginary busy to not fullfilled that though, the though and the mind will live it us free from that naturally, if we do not pay attention...interested...and I experienced some think different as loafing, because it was a negative though that I would like to get off...so my spirit fells the change, and even somintense with a night with no sleep, I fell my soul loafing, just sharing, thank you

overwhelming negative thoughts need immediate medical attention, ok Ekanta?

Ekanta wrote:

tree wrote:

Ekanta wrote:

When we ignore a though, and to exercise to ignore, as playing imaginary busy to not fullfilled that though, the though and the mind will live it us free from that naturally, if we do not pay attention...interested...and I experienced some think different as loafing, because it was a negative though that I would like to get off...so my spirit fells the change, and even somintense with a night with no sleep, I fell my soul loafing, just sharing, thank you

overwhelming negative thoughts need immediate medical attention, ok Ekanta?

I think you need looking for a doctor them Tree, reslly...I think you are sick

what makes you think so?

Ekanta wrote:

Ekanta wrote:

tree wrote:

overwhelming negative thoughts need immediate medical attention, ok Ekanta?

I think you need looking for a doctor them Tree, reslly...I think you are sick

I mean very sick, when a person become sarcastic regarding to the other human being like you, looking just for your self, that is not overhelming negative though is to live in negativity...so go to the hell you old man, and grow up, and do not try put people that
Ike to learn here in a good way down, if you slepp with your jeans close this your problem...

please accept my apologies, all the best to you Ekanta

tree wrote:

natura wrote:

tree wrote:

not sure how this relates to the conversation

So what do you mean, tree? The conversation in this tread or on the matter of Krishnamurti generally?

where ever you feel it applies

But, tree, whatever you mean, I can only repeat: Krishnamurti’s teaching is not a suicide compendium and nobody has yet diminished its significance or abolished the life in human dimension.

Self-knowledge, self-understanding is not a suicide, quite the contrary.

I’m watching you for long time already underlining the prevalence of understanding fear and desire, which you see as one and the same.
Do you mean it is here like a picnic on the brink of a dropdown?

Last edited by natura (2012-05-01 21:25:47)

natura wrote:

tree wrote:

natura wrote:

So what do you mean, tree? The conversation in this tread or on the matter of Krishnamurti generally?

where ever you feel it applies

But, tree, whatever you mean, I can only repeat: Krishnamurti’s teaching is not a suicide compendium and nobody has yet diminished its significance or abolished the life in human dimension.

Self-knowledge, self-understanding is not a suicide, quite the contrary.

I’m watching you for long time already underlining the prevalence of understanding fear and desire, which you see as one and the same.
Do you mean it is here like a picnic on the brink of a dropdown?

natura, these are your assumptions and interpretations of same, i have not stated or intended anything you have reffered to above with the exception of understanding of desire/fear and of course the picnic

natura wrote:

tree wrote:

natura wrote:

But, tree, whatever you mean, I can only repeat: Krishnamurti’s teaching is not a suicide compendium and nobody has yet diminished its significance or abolished the life in human dimension.

Self-knowledge, self-understanding is not a suicide, quite the contrary.

I’m watching you for long time already underlining the prevalence of understanding fear and desire, which you see as one and the same.
Do you mean it is here like a picnic on the brink of a dropdown?

natura, these are your assumptions and interpretations of same, i have not stated or intended anything you have reffered to above with the exception of understanding of desire/fear and of course the picnic

Sorry, tree,

don’t you want to read messages before you write the answers?

you've lost me, please re state your message considering my last response



edit: if your question is: "Do you mean it [fear/desire] is here like a picnic on the brink of a dropdown?"

you have made an abstraction and created a metaphor, no need

Last edited by tree (2012-05-02 11:16:23)