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Ekanta wrote:

Ekanta wrote:

snguyen wrote:

Oh yeah, a free mind is free of suffering, and it is free because it has gone deeply through it all. Or what?

Yes, yes yes, I totally agree any guilt to celebraty the death, how the death comes...free mind...that is it...that is it...

Is the passage, some how comes in different way...but is part of our journey...yes, celebrate death how she welcome eact individual...yes...free mind

Of course to be sick can be dificult...in the end , we are so attached to our body, that can be difficult...

bruce sean wrote:

snguyen wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

Are you also celebrating the people who are dying right this moment due to human violence, to human desire for power?

You can assume on a perfect theory that the world is all goodness and love. Or you can go through it all in your own life, full of what the world is, and finish with the corruptions.

Is violence a theory?

Ah, I took the second fact. Violence is a fact, daily. But am I violent? If not, then I am out.

snguyen wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

Are you also celebrating the people who are dying right this moment due to human violence, to human desire for power?

Oh yeah, a free mind is free of suffering, and it is free because it has gone deeply through it all. Or what?

Yes, but human suffering still exists.

Ekanta wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

Ekanta wrote:

Yes, yes yes, I totally agree any guilt to celebraty the death, how the death comes...free mind...that is it...that is it...

I'm not talking about guilt: you are responsible and by ignoring it, it won't go away.

Observing now...observing...
A bamboo stick...

Are you observing the human suffering? Or are you looking the other way?

  And this stick doesn't let you do what you normally do: yet the action of the stick is compassion.

snguyen wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

snguyen wrote:

Yes, life is the teacher. Human race is the teacher. Relationship is a teacher.

Relationship? What relationship?

Relationship between violence and the mirror it sees itself in. Then, free.

Free all you want, but where's the relationship? Between what and what?

bruce sean wrote:

That's what I was talking about: underneath all that mask of happiness there is a big pile of confusion: you are not looking around you to see the facts, and in blindness you can find a certain enjoyment, but real bliss is different.

  No one's angry, but these are the facts, and you don't even know why this is all happening, you don't even suspect that by refusing to look deeply you are encouraging violence right through the world.

  So look, don't hide!

  In reply to #18.

Confusion is not a negative state of the mind, is the first step to order the house...

bruce sean wrote:

snguyen wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

Yes, but human suffering still exists.

It is very important to be free from suffering first, in myself. I am the world.

Then what?

Them you realex...observing, you chooose to soffer too...is ok, if you can manage, is all about choices, also about training, discipline...

snguyen wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

Are you also celebrating the people who are dying right this moment due to human violence, to human desire for power?

You can assume on a perfect theory that the world is all goodness and love. Or you can go through it all in your own life, full of what the world is, and finish with the corruptions.

That is even better, and in the end, is all about moments...each moment...

bruce sean wrote:

That's what I was talking about: underneath all that mask of happiness there is a big pile of confusion: you are not looking around you to see the facts, and in blindness you can find a certain enjoyment, but real bliss is different.

  No one's angry, but these are the facts, and you don't even know why this is all happening, you don't even suspect that by refusing to look deeply you are encouraging violence right through the world.

  So look, don't hide!

  In reply to #18.

Confusion is the first step to the clarity, to put the house in order, if you accept the confusion in side is a open and beautifull state of mind, and them you just observe...

Do you want me to tell you if I'm free?


  I've said it many a time, who has ears to hear, they will.

To#42.

Last edited by bruce sean (2012-04-11 14:27:18)

snguyen wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

snguyen wrote:

Relationship between violence and the mirror it sees itself in. Then, free.

Free all you want, but where's the relationship? Between what and what?

You don't know?

who cares about relationship? There is none. It is a different thing. The free has no relation.

Then why are you bringing it up?! To me, it means very little, because it is a one-way street.

Last edited by bruce sean (2012-04-11 14:30:00)

Ekanta wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

snguyen wrote:

It is very important to be free from suffering first, in myself. I am the world.

Then what?

Them you realex...observing, you chooose to soffer too...is ok, if you can manage, is all about choices, also about training, discipline...

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  That is also part of the confusion.