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pearl wrote:

night wrote:

Eden wrote:

Then you should be happy to know that I am everybody. Perhaps that is the reason I am not afraid of death.  There is an endless supply of me.

I am sure pearl will be happy to hear there is such an infinite supply of you ;-)

Infinite supply needed only where there is infinite demand, I mean in the techonological, economic world, but psychologically there is no demand, and so no supply either.

I'm not interested in analyzing the psychological world, are you?

Eden wrote:

pearl wrote:

night wrote:

I am sure pearl will be happy to hear there is such an infinite supply of you ;-)

Infinite supply needed only where there is infinite demand, I mean in the techonological, economic world, but psychologically there is no demand, and so no supply either.

I'm not interested in analyzing the psychological world, are you?

You maturity level is so low that anything you do not fathom you call it analyzing, or lableing..an easy way to avoid, evade.  Really, how unintelligent.

Tom wrote:

Look, we have surely come to this point where we have now chased around every corner of the subject.  We have looked at it all from every possible angle.  And yet, after all of this effort and investigation, we still don't have a definitive answer, an answer that is irrevocable, an answer that cannot be disputed, argued against, fought against, denied, nor just casually accepted and then played around with some more.  We have still not reached a point where it is here - the solid fact of it is there - and so the whole game is up. 

That's death too when the game is up.  After seventy, eighty, ninety years, the game is up for the body and so the mind gets dragged along with that too.  The mind then has no choice in the matter.  But before the point at which the body gives up, the mind has a choice.  And I think that's what we are always resisting: the game being up or the game being over. 

Now what is this game?  Isn't it the game of being somebody?  As long as I am somebody in your eyes or in my own eyes, that's enough for me.  Right?  That's fair enough to say this.  It should not be too shocking or too controversial.  As long as I can maintain an image of myself then I'm happy to continue at the game.  And when I talk of changing myself, what really do I mean?  Isn't it just the image I wish to alter?  It's either your image of me or it's my own self-image I want to change.  Which is no change at all because there is still an image in place.  It may be a different image, more highly polished, more refined, more subtle, less brutal and so on, but it's still very much an image. 

It's like a man who wants to be seen to be a good man, who wants to be thought of as a good person.  He's not interested in being good; he's concerned only with the image of being good.  So he rejects goodness, at the same time chasing its image.  And death itself may be the origin of goodness because there are no more images at play.  That's why we're afraid of death because we can't then create any more images about life; we are faced with the actuality of something and there is nothing we can do.

This part seems straightforward.  Where you lost me is in an earlier post: "That death is the death of memory. So can you face fear without the memory of fear?"  Somehow I misread your words.  But even though this post seems straightforward, I'm not sure that I actually connect with it.  I don't seem to be very focused these days.

hermann wrote:

...even though this post seems straightforward, I'm not sure that I actually connect with it. I don't seem to be very focused these days.

That's probably a good thing too not to be very focused, because in these matters to be focused means to limit attention, to prevent perception of the whole. For while we focus on one area we miss all the other areas. We may solve a problem in this one little corner while all the time new problems are beginning to fester in the other corners.

Tom wrote:

night wrote:

I don't have that much time. So you gotta clear your own muddy waters, on your own. It's non-verbal.

We can make time at a later date; it doesn't have to be done today or even this week. What matters is the feeling behind it that this is something we both want to do.

we we we, do do do

RJ wrote:

Eden wrote:

Tom wrote:

We can make time at a later date; it doesn't have to be done today or even this week. What matters is the feeling behind it that this is something we both want to do.

we we we, do do do

jaysus 5-0, puerile pap

if you're simply here to heckle and polish the practice of insulting people you don't like or don't agree with then make a better effort

I only insult people I know personally.