KFA - Krishnamurti Foundation of America

To see that there isn't one, uhm?

  Because not seeing that this conglomerate is NOT an entity creates suffering.

Aah, the body, of course!

right, 'there is no entity'
but
'not seeing that there is no entity creates suffering for the entity that is not'




nevermind

tree wrote:

right, 'there is no entity'
but
'not seeing that there is no entity creates suffering for the entity that is not'




nevermind

You're making the same mistake as Tom: the non-existence of the entity must be seen. If it seems real, then suffering is also real.

Why are you saying that? Of course they are.

Of course, no entity, there's no contradiction.

"the non-existence of the entity" aka the old spiritual teachings around, aka Spirituality For Dummies page 1, aka Non-duality For Dummies page 1, aka Enlightenment For Dummies page 1.

News flash:  there has already been 50,000 books written about the non-existence of the entity.  Thanks for the re-hash bruce. Fresh as ever!

tree wrote:

and no one to contradict nothing...

carry on

Wait, contradiction occurs between various fragments, uh?

Which means the non-verbal stuff hasn't been seen, and you're left with the verbal stuff.

There is no you, no entity, don't go back.

bruce sean wrote:

Yes, escaping from the fact that fear is there. And to make a theory-as you do-that this is inevitable, is in itself an escape.

No, simply don't see any reason to continue in circles with you. I'll leave it to tree who seems to be thoroughly enjoying himself tonight.


 

bruce sean wrote:

I am communicating with you, but you're not. I addressed everything you said, not in theory but in actuality: I'm not making up anything, I'm not proposing any theories.

I guess it comes down the fact that you see things one way and I another. Two entities with different understandings and energies.

   

bruce sean wrote:

There is no entity. You cannot escape this fact. It is an irrevocable fact. You're reading this right now: yet, you're not an entity, it is just a bunch of images, reading, comparing with past images, evaluating, and so on.

  But there is no entity, because an entity implies a center which is at the core of this entity. A center which coordinates different fragments, deciding this, doing that, all with a global, controlled perspective.

I'd say the brain/body is a type of entity. Sure, it may be mostly space, yada yada, but there is something which has the potential to be self-aware, therefore...

bruce sean wrote:

And this center is actually but another fragment. Not higher, not lower, just another fragment, meaning it is exactly on the same level with any other fragment, uhm?
The self is a bunch of fragments, but it cannot be called an entity, because it lacks a center. Rather, it is a chaotic group of fragments, with a constant struggle to dominate one another.

  And so what appears to be the center is actually a fragment, which fragment changes quite quickly, and, through rotation, a number of fragments take the spotlight at any one time.

Now you're talking about the ego, an image, which is thought to be a center, which is a different topic.

   

bruce sean wrote:

But there is no entity, there never was one, and there never ever be one. This is an absolute fact.

See, it boils down to the fact that we see things differently. There are nearly as many different understandings as there are people on this forum...actually each one's understanding may be unique as a snowflake. The only thing we can do is see for ourselves.

:-)