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#276 2012-02-08 12:34:55
Re: why do you believe krishnamurti
sds wrote:
Joe you totally crack me up.
You say a little while ago that you have learned to stay away from Pearl, and then you right after that you go back to your old ways and engage her and try to get her to see your silly views.
Incorrect sds. Bruce asked me if I was avoiding talking to sam and all I said is that I have found that in certain circumstances fruitful dialogue is not possible. That was the total of my response, how you interpret it is your own thinking. I did not put silly views out to sam, I asked her questions based on the words she used. When she opted to not answer them I left it be and said goodbye. I did not say I will or will not talk to sam, only that in certain circumstances the road is arduous. Do you see this and in seeing this see that you have interpretted your own idea of what was said, and done so incorrectly? Again the dialogue today bore no fruit but I am a gardener sds, and there is always time for plowing under the fields to see what may grow from it.
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All I can say to many on this forum, is this is BORING. Move on please.....
Anything else you would like to tell us what to do sds? You are only here for entertainment, it appears. Sorry to disappoint you.
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#277 2012-02-08 12:38:38
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Re: why do you believe krishnamurti
i am astonished how do you know, what other think, joe.
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#278 2012-02-08 12:42:20
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i am astonished how do you know, what other think, joe.
Not sure what you mean awareness? Does pearl know what eden thinks? Does she know what dano or kirsten or natura think? I asked her questions, I did not tell her what she thought. SDS has his/her interpretation of what I said, and therefore was presuming my thoughts, which I took the time to correct in my reply to sds.
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#279 2012-02-08 12:44:52
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Re: why do you believe krishnamurti
joe wrote:
awareness wrote:
i am astonished how do you know, what other think, joe.
Not sure what you mean awareness? Does pearl know what eden thinks? Does she know what dano or kirsten or natura think? I asked her questions, I did not tell her what she thought. SDS has his/her interpretation of what I said, and therefore was presuming my thoughts, which I took the time to correct in my reply to sds.
why do you presume entertainement?
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#280 2012-02-08 12:46:37
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the word presume has a lot of meanings
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#281 2012-02-08 12:47:58
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awareness wrote:
joe wrote:
awareness wrote:
i am astonished how do you know, what other think, joe.
Not sure what you mean awareness? Does pearl know what eden thinks? Does she know what dano or kirsten or natura think? I asked her questions, I did not tell her what she thought. SDS has his/her interpretation of what I said, and therefore was presuming my thoughts, which I took the time to correct in my reply to sds.
why do you presume entertainement?
Ah yes...well, perhaps it is incorrect but the words used by sds (THIS IS BORING) tend to point to someone looking for entertainment, and sds has said this about himself as well.
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#282 2012-02-08 12:59:55
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i see, you connect boring with entertainment
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#284 2012-02-08 14:01:56
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Re: why do you believe krishnamurti
joe wrote:
what do you connect or associate boring with?
must there be a connection with?
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#285 2012-02-08 14:09:35
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thought is seperated, it remains seperated. ending of thought is ending of seperation. every attempt of thought to connect remains a seperation, therefore connection constructed by thought remains seperation.
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#286 2012-02-08 14:16:11
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entertainment is another word for illusion. it serves thought for survival.the meaning of the word connection makes the illusion complete;-). not to be detected, that thought is inherent, therefore it cunstructs connection, which means continuity.
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#288 2012-02-08 14:41:06
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Re: why do you believe krishnamurti
joe wrote:
Ah yes...well, perhaps it is incorrect but the words used by sds (THIS IS BORING) tend to point to someone looking for entertainment, and sds has said this about himself as well.
Within this context, yes. But actually even without looking for entertainment, one would find someone who repeats himself/herself boring. That is what boring means, a repetitive grind. Granted, it is easier to repeat oneself after a certain age than actually coming up with something fresh every time.
Here is a how 99% of conversations around here starts:
"hi my name is ...."
"hi nice to meet you, my name is ...."
"What do you do?"
...blah blah
BO-RING!
Not that it is a problem per se. But that is how it is at this moment. Smooth and boring talk.
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#289 2012-02-08 14:47:19
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night wrote:
joe wrote:
Ah yes...well, perhaps it is incorrect but the words used by sds (THIS IS BORING) tend to point to someone looking for entertainment, and sds has said this about himself as well.
Within this context, yes. But actually even without looking for entertainment, one would find someone who repeats himself/herself boring. That is what boring means, a repetitive grind. Granted, it is easier to repeat oneself after a certain age than actually coming up with something fresh every time.
Here is a how 99% of conversations around here starts:
"hi my name is ...."
"hi nice to meet you, my name is ...."
"What do you do?"
...blah blah
BO-RING!
Not that it is a problem per se. But that is how it is at this moment. Smooth and boring talk.
yep, thats the point k meant to pupul, repeatment as boring
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#290 2012-02-08 15:04:10
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well I have rarely heard a conversation like the one you describe here night, so 99% might be a stretch. I would say there is much less "nice to meet you" and much more "you are crazy", if we are going to generalize. To awareness and your point though, repetition. We all repeat our understandings of things, continually, right? I do not see that you or I are any different than that, do you?
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#291 2012-02-08 15:12:24
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Sorry Joe if I misinterpreted your discussion with Pearl.
As for bringing up the topic of Boring, as per K discussing with Pupul, I threw that out and thought it was a gem. Pearl asked me to share any of my insights from listening to K, and that was the insight. Enjoy........
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#292 2012-02-08 15:13:44
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repetition is the mechanism of thought, thats mechanical thought. the me and you is thought. ending of thought is ending of repetition, which is another word for accumulation
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#293 2012-02-08 15:33:01
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ending of time means emptiness, in which the beginning IS the ending (of nothing, which is everything)
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#295 2012-02-08 15:53:21
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thought itself
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#296 2012-02-08 16:07:13
#297 2012-02-08 16:19:28
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Re: why do you believe krishnamurti
pearl wrote:
bruce sean wrote:
pearl wrote:
Quiet the contrary, from freedom you see everything crystal clear. Infact, only this freedom sees that there is no freedom in there in that heart and mind and so wonders why not?
Freedom doesn't care about the messenger of freedom, only the lack of it.
The messenger and the message are one. There is no separation.
That means there is no messenger, and so nobody to praise or attack. In fact, not even the message is important, when freedom is a reality. What matters is what's behind the message, its source.
Because if you make the message all-important then you can't hear anything which contradicts-or apparently contradicts-that message. Then the message becomes authority which prevents hearing something new.
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#298 2012-02-08 16:50:12
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awareness wrote:
pearl wrote:
awareness wrote:
same time, similar comment;-)Yes, funny. Hi there awareness, howdy..:-)
hi pearl
Hey.
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#299 2012-02-08 16:53:39
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Re: why do you believe krishnamurti
bruce sean wrote:
pearl wrote:
bruce sean wrote:
Freedom doesn't care about the messenger of freedom, only the lack of it.The messenger and the message are one. There is no separation.
That means there is no messenger, and so nobody to praise or attack. In fact, not even the message is important, when freedom is a reality. What matters is what's behind the message, its source.
Because if you make the message all-important then you can't hear anything which contradicts-or apparently contradicts-that message. Then the message becomes authority which prevents hearing something new.
You're completely lost in your intellect, dear bruce, content to resist, analyse, contradict. there is no contradiction, or confusion in what I said in my first message about Krishnamurti. And don't forget the source, the messenger and the message are all ONE.
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#300 2012-02-08 16:59:35
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No, the message is NOT the source. The message can take various forms, while the messenger doesn't exist, but the source doesn't take any form, it is formless, and doesn't depend on the message.
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