KFA - Krishnamurti Foundation of America

joe wrote:

tree wrote:

is your family an idea?

yes and no..there are people who begat people and yet the idea of family is still an idea.  What is your point?  Again, please try to be clear so the interpretation machine will not fire up.

is the ground your feet are on an idea?

looking in only one direction leaves you with a partial vision...

joe wrote:

BobD wrote:

joe wrote:

hmmph...see, here is the thing, tree...while I agree that yes we are in the immeasurable constantly, pointing repeatedly to it does little to aid someone who is suffering from psychological stress.  It only provides a place for hope to be deposited, which then of course turns into disappointment.

Good point. And really...aren't we all suffering from one psychological stress or another as we vainly point to the theoretical "immeasurable reality" that some guru intimated he or she was in all the time? Are we not all at some point suffering over the fact that we can only get glimpses of it because in those moments we are with it, we try to anchor ourselves into a permanent state of it. And once we lose it, can we remain with the fact that we are hopeless without going into a depression over it?
This forum has some use to me as it has given me the opportunity to see that stress in me through others. And when I see it manifested in others, whether it be their denial, their grandiosity, their endless word games, their anger, etc...How do I react?  My reaction to all of that is the ultimate measuring tool to where I am at. But, ultimately...even the measuring tool of comparison needs to be dropped.
Don't know why I felt a need to babble all of that, but there it is.

there it is...and that is the larger point being addressed here.  All this talk about an immeasurable reality is only vanity and selfishness manifesting.

thus are the limits of your comprehension



carry on

wait a minute, that is it?  You have decided I live in a bubble?

it's really nothing special and it's quite ordinary
what can not be measured makes no difference
sorry

joe wrote:

tree wrote:

it's really nothing special and it's quite ordinary
what can not be measured makes no difference
sorry

Don't be sorry...but to take your own words, since what can not be measured makes no difference, why keep pointing to it? 

Do you really think I do not understand experientially what the All you keep pointing to is?  I may well understand it and live it far more than you know.  You keep reverting to thinking that says since I do not ascribe to describing the indescribable I must just not understand it.  It is very flawed logic to do this.

do you really think i don't understand what you are saying, that much can be found in any self help book at the checkout counter in the supermarket

i've never tried to describe the indescribable, no need

the limits of description are obvious and you demonstrate that everyday, with gusto

joe wrote:

ok, then tell me what I am saying...show me you do understand it.

it's not even interesting enough to repeat and i have nothing to prove

there are plenty of quotes of yours for those who are curious

and so that is it, you have decided to put me in a bubble of your own making and stop talking once again.  Unsubstantiated claims by feigning boredom.  You do not understand what I am saying, clearly.

joe wrote:

and so that is it, you have decided to put me in a bubble of your own making and stop talking once again.  Unsubstantiated claims by feigning boredom.  You do not understand what I am saying, clearly.

as you've said, it's pretty simple stuff joe, i feel we've gone about as far as we're likely to go and that's ok, styles differ

tree wrote:

joe wrote:

and so that is it, you have decided to put me in a bubble of your own making and stop talking once again.  Unsubstantiated claims by feigning boredom.  You do not understand what I am saying, clearly.

as you've said, it's pretty simple stuff joe, i feel we've gone about as far as we're likely to go and that's ok, styles differ

sure they do and that is fine but you are running from that difference anytime we approach it, and I want to take a real walk sometime with you.

(you're being just as dogmatic as the Krishnamurti - ites)

joe wrote:

labels, what a waste...

you are looking from the perspective of the answer and missing or ridiculing the question, and you ask what the point of a good walk is?  Get off your butt and take a good walk and you will know the point first hand.  We are the human condition tree.

obviously we have different interests and different emphasis joe, why is that an issue for you?