KFA - Krishnamurti Foundation of America

Eden wrote:

Wasn't it K that said you can only understand that which you truly love?

Can you say that you have truly fallen in love with violence, brutality, rape, war, romance, materialism, greed, consumerism, pornography and all the rest of it?  If you haven't yet seen the the true nature of all this as the most incredible love simply trying to break free from its shells--if you haven't yet seen this all as the beautiful dark side of love disconnected from the heart, then you will never understand it.  You will never fall in love with it until it is all seen as pure love itself.

As long as your mind continues to say 'this is love' and 'this is not love', you will stay in your shells. You true radiant beauty will never fully shine through your body.  It will stay partially hidden behind forums, agreeing on points with the bruces of the world whose only passion in life is to point out that which is love, and that which is not.

Sir, now you have completey lost me, and seeme to have gone off into another one of your patterned thinking.  But thanks for your feed back. :-)

My freind please read krishnamurties for dummies chapter 1 and then come back and talk, until then save your theories for other david dieda clowns.  There is no eventually, one day finally when you will break open.  There is no time but your entire theory is based upon time, upon becoming something and you fail to see the contradictions in your theories, or duality as you say.

Eden has it completely confused and is confusing himself with meaningless questions.  I thought he'd be able to figure out for himself instead of asking others "how", "why".

It's kinda ridiculous even for me to state this, but I will anyways.  To see disorder for what it is, is order.  Order doesn't come about by introducing more theories of, "what should be", or could be.  To see things as they are requires a mind that is clear with no preconceived notions.  It is only love that sees things as they are and in seeing so there is no need to condemn, justify, accept.  But it seems like Eden has some resistance to see simple facts, and goes off into telling how it should be, and all sorts of jibberish, and this resistance is but made of all the ideas that've been accumulated by various new age teachers along the way.

yes that's understandable also

maybe what you read was written by a man ?

pearl wrote:

There is no eventually, one day finally when you will break open.  There is no time but your entire theory is based upon time, upon becoming something and you fail to see the contradictions in your theories, or duality as you say.

I never said there was "one day finally when you will break open".  I was using the phrase "breaking free" from patterns, in the same way you were speaking of "ending patterns".  We are saying the exact same thing.  If your mind wasn't racing so fast and trying so hard to discredit me and my words, you might have noticed that, as it is fairly obvious.

As for theories...I am not speaking of any theories.

pearl wrote:

Now Eden thinks rape is love, jealousy is love, and when I say it is not, he is threatened, and reacts angrily, because he has been conditoned to think that violence is love, greed, competetion is love.  That happens when your heart and mind has never touched that thing called love.  It doesn't know what it means to love, not that you can "know it. It has never truly, wholly inquired into it's own heart and mind to begin with.

Angrily?   

Like I said, you will find plenty of minds who will be happy to go through life with you pointing out that which is love, and that which is not. You will find forums filled with them, and so for you, life is abundant.

One can't fight duality I'm afraid :-)

Eden wrote:

pearl wrote:

I read the other day, kirsten, that many women fantasise being raped!!? It's really horryfying as it speaks a lot of people's inner desires and dreams and their lives and minds and hearts, how disconnected and unloved they must feel.  Absolutely I'm not one of 'em.

It is only "horrifying" to a mind that doesn't understand it.  A mind that truly sees into the matter is not at all "horrified" by it(or anything in life for that matter) and in fact understands and sees the beauty in the feminine urge to be 'ravished' from which it arises. Rape and ravishment are the same exact urge, one being simply a movement disconnected from the heart.  Ravishment, or that feminine longing/yearning to be taken by the masculine, becomes a rape fantasy when it is disconnected from the heart.  Rape is the closest thing to 'ravishment in love' that they know, and so it is natural for them to long for that in the only way that they are familiar.

see, the man's theory..

Eden wrote:

It's not a theory at all kirsten... it's a fact that women with a strong feminine sexual essence are sexually aroused by masculine energy.  sexual polarity is not a theory rather it is a law of nature that anyone can observe in themselves and in others. Nearly every body has this polarity to different degrees, though of course there are asexual humans who are essentially neutral.

Any lazy mind can go around claiming that what others are pointing out is 'theory'.  I could do it all day everyday...anyone can.  You don't have the energy to look into it, that is fine.  Most people don't.

Nothing but stupid, meaningless jibberish behind all those words of your's and it's evident you're losing control, infact, you sound like you're freaking out inside...at losing control?

Eden wrote:

pearl wrote:

Now Eden thinks rape is love, jealousy is love, and when I say it is not, he is threatened, and reacts angrily, because he has been conditoned to think that violence is love, greed, competetion is love.  That happens when your heart and mind has never touched that thing called love.  It doesn't know what it means to love, not that you can "know it. It has never truly, wholly inquired into it's own heart and mind to begin with.

Angrily?   

Like I said, you will find plenty of minds who will be happy to go through life with you pointing out that which is love, and that which is not. You will find forums filled with them, and so for you, life is abundant.

You are totally lost.  When you wake up talk to me, until then goodbye, Eden.

pearl wrote:

Eden wrote:

It's not a theory at all kirsten... it's a fact that women with a strong feminine sexual essence are sexually aroused by masculine energy.  sexual polarity is not a theory rather it is a law of nature that anyone can observe in themselves and in others. Nearly every body has this polarity to different degrees, though of course there are asexual humans who are essentially neutral.

Any lazy mind can go around claiming that what others are pointing out is 'theory'.  I could do it all day everyday...anyone can.  You don't have the energy to look into it, that is fine.  Most people don't.

Nothing but stupid, meaningless jibberish behind all those words of your's and it's evident you're losing control, infact, you sound like you're freaking out inside...at losing control?

Always funny stuff pearl. As a matter of fact I'm not freaking out in the slightest so I have no idea what it is you are hearing...an echo perhaps? Totally relaxed, having a totally mellow day here. Headed to the park with the little one in a few minutes. Couldn't careless who agrees with what I am sharing or who perceives it as freaking out. Enjoying it all fully and opening to whatever response it provokes.

night wrote:

pearl wrote:

Now Eden thinks rape is love, jealousy is love, and when I say it is not, he is threatened, and reacts angrily, because he has been conditoned to think that violence is love, greed, competetion is love.  That happens when your heart and mind has never touched that thing called love.  It doesn't know what it means to love, not that you can "know it. It has never truly, wholly inquired into it's own heart and mind to begin with.

That's because you don't know the joys of friendly competition. Not unlike our good friend K. No worries though, to each its own - I am not too much into baking myself.

Night, you're just another jealous wimp, hope not.  Grow up and be a man.  Your sly manipulations, snide remarks don't work.