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bruce sean wrote:

The facts make you speak, when you see them. Because it's all connected, so not speaking-when the facts are seen-leads to WAR!

you've already said "man is conflict"

bruce sean wrote:

The use of the word 'even' is not correct, in this context. Maybe you meant to say 'not awakened', instead of 'awakened'.

Awakened persons who do not use methods would point the contradiction. They would tell you that their are awakened and that they learn everyday.

Teulada wrote:

sds wrote:

I have been studying K and his teachings.....

this alone makes me question how much you understand.
look sds, no intention to argue of course, but you see, if your sneaky feeling about K and G were right, that would imply an irreparable, inconceivable inconstency in K's soul.
what would you be studying him for then?
this - I think - is what Eden's comment meant.

T

Feel free to question how much I understand as long as you like.

I enjoy reading some of your posts, but I really do not enjoy talking with you. You remind me of a fundamentalist. And I do not get along well with fundamentalists.

So take care, bye....

sds wrote:

pearl wrote:

SDS, to answer your original post on the modern day spiritual teachers.  Firstly, I'm not aware of any the modern day spiritual teachers in particular as somehow it really does not interest me if there are any out there, for the simple reason that, in the world of the spirit/psyche there are no teachers...and those who claim to have attained something are deluding themselves.  I don't think that there is a particular state where when you arrive, you say, "ah, this is it, I've got it all!"  you underst and what I mean?

As for awakened minds, I wonder would anyone truly awakened proclaim that he is awakened??  If he, or she has to keep insisting so, then it is only because he is affirming something which is not true.  As for your question if there are truly awakened people on the planet, you'll never know unless you meet them in person.  If you are yourself a reasonably sensitive person you would easily spot a phony from a genuinely awakened individual.

As for Osho, and K there is no comparison.  Can you compare a lily and a rose?  Both have their unique perfumes.  Some like the perfume of the lily, some of the rose.

Thanks Pearl, I especially like the part where you talk about awakened minds and why would they need to insist it, to tell others. And yes you are right it seems, if you are somewhat sensitive yourself, you will be able to spot them. I liked this a lot, thank you.....

You're wleomce, SDS.  Tell me if you want the bloody caeser recipee.  I luv delicious salads, learning good salad recipes and sharing too if someone likes. :-)

osho on women

oshospace.blogspot.com/2007/03/osho-on-women.html

According to Bruce, Osho is nonsense. Stay away from Osho, if you know what is good for you.

Good sharing about Osho. I find it interesting that you say you are also not into K. I find that both fascinating and surprising... Considering this is a K forum...

sds wrote:

Good sharing about Osho. I find it interesting that you say you are also not into K. I find that both fascinating and surprising... Considering this is a K forum...

Good sharing about love I would say. Both Osho and K are smart It makes them both interesting.

Magnetic wrote:

Will share my experience with one of these teachers, you make your mind about it.

Was living with a guru for a year, in the very organization were about 7 awakened people when i joined, it was pretty impressive that the guru was able to awake 7 people, and as i joined saw that there were signs of other people whom were on the way. Another of the students was experiencing absence of self, and non-dual perception from time to time. The Guru was incredible, the moment i made a visit and came close to his body, such strong current of energy rushed, my mind went extremely quiet, for the first time i felt such peace and happiness. In time i met two of the other awakened teachers from the same organization, they also had the same effect on me. Yet one thing bothered me over the year, and that was the different way they spoke with people about awakening. The guru was extremely authoritive, while most of the others awakened teachers tented to be avoiding authority. Often some of them spoke things the guru did not like, and they had to have skype conferences and align themselves with the guru's way, so due time some of the awakened teachers left. I was observing all this conflicting relationship, and wondered why are they like this? if they have awakened to the same consciousness, why do they differ so much? And mostly why are they still under the Guru guidance if they are awakened? i was lucky to get involved with one of the teachers, and see what was going on more behind the scenes. Heard and saw things that most people in the organization did not, and in year time, after challenging one of the teachers about his state, we both left the organization. Two of the teachers are interviewed by Rick, you can say they are of two these 100 people, i have met others in that state, Jeff Foster, adyashanti, Ed Muzika........have they awakened? according to my experience, yes, they do have non-dual consciousness, absence of self. Colors are very bright, and things are done spontaneously, there is no thinking mind, and all appears to happen only in what one is aware of. Meaning if you are inside the house, there is no sense of anything beyond the walls, all that appears in view is the valid experience. The mind state is so quiet, that if we talk for 5 min and you turn your head to talk to someone even for couple seconds, in those couple seconds that am not in view, you have no IDEA no sense that I am there, i literally do not exist. Then you may turn your head and notice me again, and say: Oh, i did not know you were there. One such mind passed 3 times her house without recognizing it, and some times it takes her long time to find her car in the parking lot, for the same absence of thought. This non-dual state is very peaceful, and the world appears EMPTY, not solid, dream like, i see many are awakening to it, and many speak about it in different way, and teach the way to it, mostly taking into according their past experience before the event of awakening as the valid approach. Some emphasize Kundalini, others inquiry, some teach you are already there -  do not put effort, others abide in the sense of being......or as UG taught it, there is no way to it, its all propaganda.
If you are interested in such awakening, listen to them, but if they ask you to practice something, read their biographies, and see if they practiced any of the currently advised practices.

Hey Bulgarian Bro, good sharing,
three questions

1) did you (do you) fear and feel the 'Guru's Curse' when you eventually broke away?
2) how can one differentiate between a person who is actually 'awakened, or enlightened' and someone who has merely attained a relatively constant altered state of consciousness revolving around a delusion of grandeur?*
3) generally speaking, do you tend to hang to the right or the left?

*a brief exposition on delusions of grandeur

children somewhat naturally incline to them, (all that energy, so little power to exploit it!) and are usually actively encouraged to be super-heroes, princesses or other forms of royalty, movie stars, knights in shining tin-foil etc

by the time some intellectual maturity has been developed this may all be seen as a bit naff, a bit try-hard, and the same lofty ambitions take on more prosaic forms, sporting greatness, the wealth of the super-rich, political power, Cassanova like sexual prowess etc.

Generally speaking, people get this kind of stuffing knocked out of them by life, namely other people. Whatever you may be good at, there will always be someone better, eventually.

not to say that is the end of ambition, oh my goodness no, it morphs, settles into a more realistic aspiration to get a better house, car, wife, promotion, watch, computer, brain...

usually

because the exceptions to this grinding down of hopes and dreams to mere avarice and competition can be neatly bypassed by the spiritual seeker. He (or she) still has worlds of possibilty open to them that cannot be closed by mortal man and finite bank account.
And again the encouragement, especially of the new-born convert to a sect, a cult, or a church is always so extravagantly enthusiastic. Such promises are made, such riches await!

Various trajectories are possible through this alternate form of life and living. One of the more well-worn ones being working oneself up to a slather of spiritual 'enlightenment' whereby you have actually 'made it'. Got there, the top, the big Kahuna-burger cheese-mongering land of milk and honey. Only thing then left to do is turn around and shout various forms of encouragement to those who are still labouring up the hill... and so it goes, on and on.




Just as an aside, this business about not being aware of anything unless it is in front of your nose, literally.
It smells like a toddler's laundry basket, frankly.

The delusion of grandeur thing is taken to another pretty place by so-called 'channels'. These are people who go into trance, become a famous figure from the past or perhaps some enlightened alien from another galaxy and then, after delivering their sermon, 'wake-up' to look around blearily oblivious to whatever happened in the last 3 hours.

By the way I quite believe that they believe it, the channels, the 'awakened ones'.
Spend time with someone with a slightly more psychotic form of self-delusion and you will see just how totally convinced they are by what their brains are telling them too and that is when everyone else around them is telling them, possibly very forcibly, to stop. Imagine what it does for a delusion of grandeur when the people around you actually believe in it!!!!!!!
(speaking of the psychotically self-deluded, can anyone with a modicum of modestly not look at the face of UG and not see the very visage of madness, surely anyone who follows such a man is truly lost to themselves!)

ah, where was I?

no, I think that is quite enough, just back from a wonderful few days in Nature, must not completely destroy my own peace getting worked up in this den of iniquity known as a forum.

joe wrote:

RJ wrote:

no, I think that is quite enough, just back from a wonderful few days in Nature, must not completely destroy my own peace getting worked up in this den of iniquity known as a forum.

it has gone past occurrence
and then to strings
and now to habitual

leaving it is one way out
though the seed remains this way
the chisel lies at your feet

don't be a statue

this is good Joe, in fact I saw it just before we went out for a beach picnic just now and thought about writing back "I wuv you Joe" but it seemed a bit naff at the time, so I left it

you should write more obliquely more often, you so frequently try to talk straight to people who end up taking you sideways, or worse

the point of poetic writing is surely not to show off or confuse (though that seems to be the intent of many who do it), but rather to slow the listener down, to help his horribly programmed, instant response, sound-bite brain to take a moment to actually hear what is trying to be said,

Frenchtouch wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

The use of the word 'even' is not correct, in this context. Maybe you meant to say 'not awakened', instead of 'awakened'.

Awakened persons who do not use methods would point the contradiction. They would tell you that their are awakened and that they learn everyday.

Ha,ha, wrong again. You cannot say 'awakened persons WHO do not use methods', because that implies that there are 'awakened' people who DO use methods, and that is false.