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From what I read in a book about Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh (Osho), Krishnamurti did not think highly of him and thought he was doing a lot of harm to people and would get very angry at Oshos sannyasins when they came to K's talks and sat up in front. K would go off on a tangent about the dangers of gurus and put them all down.

Thanks for sharing your message Magnetic. I truly enjoyed reading it. I see many of your points and feel we are meeting over this. Thanks for taking the time to share....

Just ask yourself : Why do people claim to be awakened?

sds wrote:

From what I read in a book about Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh (Osho), Krishnamurti did not think highly of him and thought he was doing a lot of harm to people and would get very angry at Oshos sannyasins when they came to K's talks and sat up in front. K would go off on a tangent about the dangers of gurus and put them all down.

Rajneesh was an impostor, not a guru in the traditional sense, not by a long shot.

Magnetic wrote:

sds wrote:

From what I read in a book about Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh (Osho), Krishnamurti did not think highly of him and thought he was doing a lot of harm to people and would get very angry at Oshos sannyasins when they came to K's talks and sat up in front. K would go off on a tangent about the dangers of gurus and put them all down.

Bhagwan Rajneesh loved to mess with J.Krishnamurti, he would write him letters and later report to his disciples how much he upset the Old Man as he called J.K. Osho did not like the serious face of K, and J did not like the free attitude of Osho.........J was not impressed by Ghandi, nor bo Ramana Maharishi, and Ramana Maharishi was not impressed by J, even mentioned he is not realized. ahahahhahaah i forgot about this teacher drama. Every teacher is no impressed by another, they all claim awakening, but in relationship they deny the other's validity......ahhahahaaha

Those were not teachers, but propagandists.

Teulada wrote:

sds wrote:

So this brings up many more questions too. Like what about JK, was he awakened? Was any of his students awakened? How come there are not more of his students awakened, like some of these other teachers have several, many students who awakened too?

Was it JK's fault or the students fault?

I dont know if you want to share publically, but if you dont mind, who was your guru, and who are these other two teachers that are on youtube so I can watch?

Awakened?

The Veda mentioned a state where speech ends.
K was that.

The rest is irrelevant gibberish

T

K was where speech ended? Huh? K spoke for years and years, countless words. I am not sure what you are pointing to.

bruce sean wrote:

sds wrote:

From what I read in a book about Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh (Osho), Krishnamurti did not think highly of him and thought he was doing a lot of harm to people and would get very angry at Oshos sannyasins when they came to K's talks and sat up in front. K would go off on a tangent about the dangers of gurus and put them all down.

Rajneesh was an impostor, not a guru in the traditional sense, not by a long shot.

I know people who were devotees of Rajneesh and they definitely look at him as a guru, and think he was definitely awakened, and not an impostor. Rajneesh was more than just an interpreter Bruce, he did come upon something himself too and he was definitely an interesting character, with many insightful things to share. I personally would not want him as my Guru, but I can see why many were attracted to him.

Hey Magnetic,

We can talk online privately via chat at K Ning right now, if you have some time. Are you available?

Okay, we will wait...

Do you still have your videos up some where, I would like to watch them if available.

Are you still in Bulgaria?

I am in the United States, so it is 6:40 pm now.

My spiritual name given to me by my swami was Chaksucoco, which in sanskrit means 'coconut that squirts you in the eye'.

Not sure why he gave me that name.

Magnetic wrote:" Bhagwan Rajneesh loved to mess with J.Krishnamurti, he would write him letters and later report to his disciples how much he upset the Old Man as he called J.K. Osho did not like the serious face of K, and J did not like the free attitude of Osho.........J was not impressed by Ghandi, nor bo Ramana Maharishi, and Ramana Maharishi was not impressed by J, even mentioned he is not realized. ahahahhahaah i forgot about this teacher drama. Every teacher is no impressed by another, they all claim awakening, but in relationship they deny the other's validity......ahhahahaaha"


I read it too that K was not impressed with Gandhi. However, I have a sneaky feeling that this was just his public face, privately and inwardly K must have had some reverence for this man who conquered the British almost single handedly. K was associated with many of Gandhis followers, and they were part of K's inner circle. I do not know for sure, but like I say, my sneaky feeling is that K truly respected Gandhi and had to feel he was a advanced being who lived from a higher dimension, just like K himself. He had a different mission than K, but nonetheless was very conscious and aware like K was.

As for Ramana Maharshi, I never read anything where K was aware of him or not impressed with him. If K was not impressed with him, I wonder why? He seemed quite impressive and had a strong impact on most who went to see him. They felt his peace and were quiet in his presence.

And yes, there are a lot of teachers that are not impressed by other teachers, but that is not always the case. There are many examples where one teacher respects and acknowledges another teachers awakening and validity. I make this mistake a lot by saying all, but in reality, it is not all..... But nonetheless very good points you make....

Magnetic wrote:

sds wrote:

So this brings up many more questions too. Like what about JK, was he awakened? Was any of his students awakened? How come there are not more of his students awakened, like some of these other teachers have several, many students who awakened too?

Was it JK's fault or the students fault?

UG was listening to JK when his event of transformation took place. Something that JK said stroke him at heart, casing unpleasant 7-8days calamities which resulted in the awakening to non-dual way of being. There must be others who are influenced by K and have gone transformation. Many say JK is not practical, and try to prove that point by pointing that no one is awakened by his teachings, but that is way to individual to be considered in such general MATTER. Ed Muzika for example whom now stands as awakened teacher, listened to JK for 20years and did not got a thing from him, so he says. Now he uses his 20 year of experience with JK to claim that JK is useless, and so he does with the other teachers he had, like ZEN master and a Hindu known by Muktananda as useless. From my observation many teachers hold value way to transformation only the last moments when the actual event takes place, then they teach that as A MEAN TO THE GOAL. For example: Ramana Maharashi was walking and suddenly he felt like dying, and the INQUIRY Who AM I happent. After this inquiry he realized what he is beyond the body-mind. His whole life then he taught the method of WHO AM I inquiry as the fastest and best way to awakening. Such thread can be found in many teachers, as i am not aware of all that are now teaching. I remember another one called Rajiv Misra, he is the guru of the guru i was following at the time. Rajiv had 3 kundalini masters whom drove him to the transformation, yet during the event he had spontaneous INQUIRY similar to Ramana, and now what does he do? he denies Kundalini completely and is focused only on INQUIRY. Ganga Kaliutamananda-giri was my guru whom Raji awake, now they cannot stand each other, why? because her Guru denies Kundalini, while Ganga has 30 years of kundalini phenomena and has understood the significance of it, thus now she is calls herself Kundalini guru, helping others with the spontaneous awakening of the Kundalini they go through, while her guru does not, so they do not agree with each other. If one observes the whole drama that goes on which the teachers, it will become obvious that there is no way to reality, they preach by preferences rather by something that IS INHERENT in the NATURE of REALIZATION IT-SELF.

To my awareness, the process is unfolding according to your Individuality, and is not limited to what would come to mind at the moment of the EVENT. Meaning that if you are now investigating with one teacher, and then later with another whom may be exactly the opposite of the previous one, and you undergo some transformation, then the FIRST teacher has something to do with the event, as much as the second. When i buy bread at the store, i know that the seller is not the only one responsible for me to get bread at his store, but the baker, the workers at the bakery, the people delivering the flower, people making salt, the one making the metal instruments where the bread is baked in.......there is so much involved in creating the moment where i buy the bread, yet it seems so little involved and one pointed. The process of awaking as am aware, is happening already, but you may become aware of it at the event, then think in particular way about it, and focus your explanation around IT as a point-EVENT in your life. You may notice even this conversation is part of this process, and in some way IS bringing it-SELF to RE-ALIZATION.

Absolutely beautifully written Magnetic. It hits home, it strikes home. Wow is all I can say. Thanks for sharing this, it really resonates with me.