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Eden · 2012-02-26 17:13:17

pearl wrote:
...the cultisits and their followers...nothing original, nothing new, fresh about any of these followers and their gurus...lazy, dull, dead, violent...the same old.

Agreed...the K-cult being equally as dull...endlessly rambling about how "one is either totally free or not free at all" in one breath and then talking about how they are "learning" and "unlearning" in the next breath, not having the slightest clue what the hell they are talking about. You know, the followers who say things like "I'm not half as insightful as K ever was".

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sds · 2012-02-26 18:02:49

Eden wrote:
sds wrote:
But that is just my take on him, and each to their own.
Your take is entirely ignorant, uninformed, and utterly presumptuous, which is all but a lame attempt to discredit my observations by somehow discrediting someone I have a certain respect for.

Deida lived with Adi Da for a time in the 80's and he felt he helped him break through some patterns at that time in his life. He shortly after that totally disassociated himself with him and as far as I know has never even mentioned his name. Adi Da was a nut job on every level as far as I am concerned.

sds wrote:
As for me, I will stick with my current stack of K books. I cant go wrong with K.

Now I disagree with your statement though that I am not ready for Deida. I am more than ready, and actually way ahead of him. When you have studied K as deep as deeply as I have, someone like Deida is actually kindergarten material for me.
Funny, since you know nothing about Deida's work other than some derogatory posting you just searched for on google.

Again, your immaturity is glaring and any dialogue with you would be simply me negating your false assertions all day long. Gosh, that sounds fun but I'm gonna pass. I've had enough of that with pearl for a lifetime, at least.

Glad to know that we both agree that Adi Da was a nut job.

Thanks for sharing more about the bio of David Deida. And am glad to know that his association with Adi Da was short lived. And that he moved on himself.

Yes, you know me Eden, I did look up any dirt I could find on him. Found a little blurb over at rickross which is a cult forum.

My immaturity is glaring you say. Well, maybe....

sds · 2012-02-26 18:04:12

Eden wrote:
pearl wrote:
The same, the ramanas, the deidas, maharishis, all lifeless vegetables..
...and don't forget the Krishnamurtis.

Yes, this is a good question. Is Krishnaji included in the above list, or is he an exception to the rule?

RJ · 2012-02-26 19:00:12

beans · 2012-02-26 19:10:08

Hahaha...

...but there is no puppetmaster.

BobD · 2012-02-26 20:59:05

Eden wrote:
you should see Bob's exquisitely, graceful, agile body.

Don't go into a jealous rage my lord, but....she has. Cigarette dangling out of my mouth and all. How does that make you feel? Or are you still afraid to respond to me directly? What happened to you eden? Did the other kids make fun of you and beat you up as a child?

pearl · 2012-02-26 21:39:16

The same, the K followers which are many here and no need to go into naming, but folks like eden take the cake in living a life of total blindness, stupidity, followed by the followers of the ramana's and K's all the same, sick, hurting individuals to whom nothing but compassion arises. No real relationship possible with any though.

sds · 2012-02-26 21:42:33

pearl wrote:
The same, the K followers which are many here and no need to go into naming, but folks like eden take the cake in living a life of total blindness, stupidity, followed by the followers of the ramana's and K's all the same, sick, hurting individuals to whom nothing but compassion arises. No real relationship possible with any though.

Can you tell me where I fall into the mix. I really would be interested to hear your take on it. I value your thoughts...

sds · 2012-02-26 21:45:57

Pearl, I investigated a little into this David Deida guy, and reported my findings here.

From what I read, you would not like this fellow at all. In fact, I think his approach to male and female relationships would turn your stomach sick.

What I found interesting though is Marriane Williamson, Lama Surya Das, and Ken Wilber all endorse him and his books.

pearl · 2012-02-26 21:46:02

People like eden and sds cannot see anyone but as gurus because they are addcited to gurus, so to them K too is one, as for many K followers who remain aggressive like.... who never ever stand on their own feet, second hand beings. The freedom they profess is only momentary which is no freedom at all to begin with. Most here are the same, the trees, the joes the kirstens, the rj's. good luck guys, no gurus are going to save you from the ignorance, the second hand beings that you are and will be. Goodbye.

sds · 2012-02-26 21:47:44

What I have discovered the last few nights, is that real communication, a real relationship is not possible with most on here.

No communication is possible with most.

That is a fact....

sds · 2012-02-26 21:50:43

pearl wrote:
People like eden and sds cannot see anyone but as gurus because they are addcited to gurus, so to them K too is one, as for many K followers who remain aggressive like.... who never ever stand on their own feet, second hand beings. The freedom they profess is only momentary which is no freedom at all to begin with. Most here are the same, the trees, the joes the kirstens, the rj's. good luck guys, no gurus are going to save you from the ignorance, the second hand beings that you are and will be. Goodbye.

Good bye Pearl. Nice knowing you.... Take care.

Our communication is over, ended.

For with this attitude, no communication is possible...

joe · 2012-02-26 21:50:54

samata, if you can show me even one time I espoused a guru I will leave this site forever...quit making stuff up and believing in it. What ridiculous lies we tell to ourselves in the imagery believed.

pearl · 2012-02-26 21:50:59

sds wrote:
Pearl, I investigated a little into this David Deida guy, and reported my findings here.

From what I read, you would not like this fellow at all. In fact, I think his approach to male and female relationships would turn your stomach sick.

What I found interesting though is Marriane Williamson, Lama Surya Das, and Ken Wilber all endorse him and his books.

Not interested in any of it, SDS. Life is way too beautiful, too powerful for all these gurus and their followers to ever comprehend. It seems like you are content with half truths like the edens of the forums, only a little differently in that you have your own gurus. Frankly, I doubt your sincerity, integrity in the long run.

sds · 2012-02-26 21:52:53

Pearl wrote: "no gurus are going to save you from the ignorance, the second hand beings that you are and will be. "

I totally agree with this though. Very wise insight you have/had.

I agree as long as I am a second hand human being, I will be ignorant.... So true......

pearl · 2012-02-26 21:53:15

sds wrote:
pearl wrote:
People like eden and sds cannot see anyone but as gurus because they are addcited to gurus, so to them K too is one, as for many K followers who remain aggressive like.... who never ever stand on their own feet, second hand beings. The freedom they profess is only momentary which is no freedom at all to begin with. Most here are the same, the trees, the joes the kirstens, the rj's. good luck guys, no gurus are going to save you from the ignorance, the second hand beings that you are and will be. Goodbye.
Good bye Pearl. Nice knowing you.... Take care.

Our communication is over, ended.

For with this attitude, no communication is possible...

Goodbye, SDS. You should find others whom you can relate with, and communicate. I find folks like you too unstable and all over the place.

Eden · 2012-02-26 21:55:28

BobD wrote:
Don't go into a jealous rage my lord, but....she has. Cigarette dangling out of my mouth and all. How does that make you feel? Or are you still afraid to respond to me directly? What happened to you eden? Did the other kids make fun of you and beat you up as a child?

Nothing personal Bob. You just happen to be the particular chain smoker and bigot that she is showering with praise. It could be anyone.

I was simply questioning pearls measuring sticks of integrity. From what I have seen of pearl thus far she is perhaps the poorest judge of male integrity that I have ever encountered in a woman. She does however seem to be a much better judge once they show up at her doorstep, but until then, she has all sorts of blinders.

How one treats their own body doesn't seem to be a relevant barometer of integrity. In fact that only quality that one needs to demonstrate to be seen as a man of total integrity in her eyes is whether or not they sing her praises and side with her when she is spewing her duality and labels and childish insults(worshiping K will also score you a few brownie points too assuming you praise her in the same breath).

sds · 2012-02-26 21:55:56

pearl wrote:
sds wrote:
Pearl, I investigated a little into this David Deida guy, and reported my findings here.

From what I read, you would not like this fellow at all. In fact, I think his approach to male and female relationships would turn your stomach sick.

What I found interesting though is Marriane Williamson, Lama Surya Das, and Ken Wilber all endorse him and his books.
Not interested in any of it, SDS. Life is way too beautiful, too powerful for all these gurus and their followers to ever comprehend. It seems like you are content with half truths like the edens of the forums, only a little differently in that you have your own gurus. Frankly, I doubt your sincerity, integrity in the long run.

Okay, I understand where you are coming from. You are not interested in any of it. Totally respected and understood.

And I know where I stand with you. You are questioning my sincerity and integrity now. Now that is very interesting in itself....

BobD · 2012-02-26 21:57:02

Real communication is always happening but understanding is not. I can never understand another until I first assess my reactions and misunderstandings of another. In the end...we are all communicationg with ourselves. My ability to truly understand another is my ability to understand myself

sds · 2012-02-26 21:58:55

pearl wrote:
sds wrote:
pearl wrote:
People like eden and sds cannot see anyone but as gurus because they are addcited to gurus, so to them K too is one, as for many K followers who remain aggressive like.... who never ever stand on their own feet, second hand beings. The freedom they profess is only momentary which is no freedom at all to begin with. Most here are the same, the trees, the joes the kirstens, the rj's. good luck guys, no gurus are going to save you from the ignorance, the second hand beings that you are and will be. Goodbye.
Good bye Pearl. Nice knowing you.... Take care.

Our communication is over, ended.

For with this attitude, no communication is possible...
Goodbye, SDS. You should find others whom you can relate with, and communicate. I find folks like you too unstable and all over the place.

As a wise woman on this forum once wrote to me "Excuse me Pearl, but you should look in the mirror."

I will find others whom I can relate with and communicate if that is what is desired. But in truth, reality, I need none of this. I am not attached to you or anyone in here.

But you are right about me, it is indeed true, I am very unstable and all over the place. But that is what makes me, me. And I love it and wouldnt change it for the world.

BobD · 2012-02-26 22:01:04

Eden wrote:
BobD wrote:
Don't go into a jealous rage my lord, but....she has. Cigarette dangling out of my mouth and all. How does that make you feel? Or are you still afraid to respond to me directly? What happened to you eden? Did the other kids make fun of you and beat you up as a child?
Nothing personal Bob. You just happen to be the particular chain smoker and bigot that she is showering with praise. It could be anyone.

I was simply questioning pearls measuring sticks of integrity. From what I have seen of pearl thus far she is perhaps the poorest judge of male integrity that I have ever encountered in a woman. She does however seem to be a much better judge once they show up at her doorstep, but until then, she has all sorts of blinders.

How one treats their own body doesn't seem to be a relevant barometer of integrity. In fact that only quality that one needs to demonstrate to be seen as a man of total integrity in her eyes is whether or not they sing her praises and side with her when she is spewing her duality and labels and childish insults(worshiping K will also score you a few brownie points too assuming you praise her in the same breath).

Nothing at all taken personal eden. We all see others through the filters of our emotions. A clear picture of anyone is not easy and probably impossible on a forum like this. No one here is exempt

Eden · 2012-02-26 22:03:54

sds wrote:
Good bye Pearl. Nice knowing you.... Take care.

Our communication is over, ended.

For with this attitude, no communication is possible...

Two seconds ago she was the most intelligent woman you had ever encountered. Surely you see how immature and unstable that makes you look. Pearl is as poor a judge of male integrity as you are of female sensitivity and intelligence. She was singing your highest praises two seconds ago also.

I still see a blossoming friendship going forward for you two, once your stack of gurus dwindles down to one(Jiddu). You are still two peas in a pod.

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sds · 2012-02-26 22:06:10

I love this forum in that it is a great example of how the mind works, you get to see it in action.

Tonight was priceless. As were the last few days/nights.

I am always learning from this place.

I still might be lower than the fungus on the toe of a certain guru, but I relish every interaction here and have the highest respect for each and every one of you.

Eden · 2012-02-26 22:08:59

BobD wrote:
Real communication is always happening but understanding is not. I can never understand another until I first assess my reactions and misunderstandings of another. In the end...we are all communicationg with ourselves. My ability to truly understand another is my ability to understand myself

Quite right. To the extent that one constantly misunderstands and labels another body, one is clueless of one's own.

sds · 2012-02-26 22:13:34

Eden wrote:
sds wrote:
Good bye Pearl. Nice knowing you.... Take care.

Our communication is over, ended.

For with this attitude, no communication is possible...
Two seconds ago she was the most intelligent woman you had ever encountered. Surely you see how immature and unstable that makes you look. Pearl is as poor a judge of male integrity as you are of female sensitivity and intelligence. She was signing your highest praises two seconds ago also.

I still see a blossoming friendship going forward for you two, once your stack of gurus dwindles down to one(Jiddu). You are are still two peas in a pod.

Eden, I have watched and observed this take place.

It was coming, Eden. I knew it was only a matter of time.

She still is a very intelligent woman to me and I still love her dearly and respect her.

I agree, I look very immature and unstable. But I dont care how I look, I am not into images. I also look very immature in most of my exchanges with you, but that doesnt stop me, now, does it?

I agree with you though that Pearl is a very poor judge of male character.

And I too am a poor judge of females.

Laughing, with your comment about my stack of gurus. I have noticed every time I mention Ramana on here, she has a fit, totally freaks out over him and calls him a creep, etc. I told her in a post awhile back that I would never agree with her on this one, about Ramana that is. I love him dearly.

I doubt though we can ever go back to what we were, whatever that was. For real communication to take place, there has to be genuine love and care and affection between the two, and she just doesnt have it towards me....

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