KFA - Krishnamurti Foundation of America

sds wrote:

Oh my God, such beautiful, insightful writing Bob D and Pearl. I am taken aback. I really am.
there can only be a meeting of two minds if both are serious, same level of intensity, sincerity, etc.

the 3 of you are already "meeting at the same level", precisely in fact.  same level of integrity, love, openness, wholeness in fact.

like attracts like, always and precisely, without exception.

sds wrote:

Eden buddy, I am going out for awhile but will be back later, and I hope I pass your screening process and am allowed to discuss more with you. Looking forward to it. Till then, later.....

No screening process here. It's just a simple fact that as long as one is busy defending and re-enforcing a separate self, no communion or deep communication is possible. 

Until your body grows beyond that point, all discussions will just repeat the same duality and fragmentation and all the same ego non-sense.

Eden wrote:

sds wrote:

Eden buddy, I am going out for awhile but will be back later, and I hope I pass your screening process and am allowed to discuss more with you. Looking forward to it. Till then, later.....

No screening process here. It's just a simple fact that as long as one is busy defending and re-enforcing a separate self, no communion or deep communication is possible. 

Until your body grows beyond that point, all discussions will just repeat the same duality and fragmentation and all the same ego non-sense.

So from what I get from this, as long as my body does not grow beyond the point it is at, no discussion is possible between us.

Please correct my perception if I am not perceiving this correctly.

If anything you're the uncoolest person I ever met, k, the way you dodge, fake, pretend to not know, what you're doing...all in the name of inquiry!

Nice dodge again.  You have done the same many times, once you asked me to get out of your thread, and then in CB's thread too you interferred when I talked to beans.  This is how you respond, in a vindictive  manner, every time even when I'm talking to someone else. You are a pushy female and the hatred you harbor knows no holds even as you try to mask it under the wrap of inquiry.  Just another pearl stalker, spewing venom in every post of her's.  Look if you cannot relate to me, just back off.  Simple.  Why keep pushing yourself onto others, huh?

ha,ha what a joke.  I recall you chased signpost away with your controlling, creepy, arrogatn tactics.  You even leeched on to Troy all the while and you do the same with me.  yuo dedicate two threads to get at me, infact every chance possible, and it only shows what an aggressive, violent bitch you are. Nothing else.

You back off, joe.  I'm talking to k.

"may there be peace in the valley"

pearl wrote:

You back off, joe.  I'm talking to k.

you are not talking, you are screaming with your words and using multiple images repeatedly.  There is a difference.

your accusation about me having chased signpost away really made me wonder and i digged up some old threads.. well.. it was not about me surely.. and reading back the eden-pearl-lovestory.. gosh.. what a joke ? no pearl it is pathetic.. but yes you're right you and i do not get along and the reason for that is.. hmm.. your explanation against mine.

sds wrote:

BobD wrote:

sds wrote:

What I find interesting about this Eden fellow is that he is very demanding of me.

And that he does not look at me as an equal and thinks/feels he is above me.

He does not even know me, except through this forum. He cannot know the real me.

His attitude reeks of arrogance, superiority, one upmanship, and lack of humility.

I have to earn his responding to me.

How funny that is to this writer.

And yet, whether Pearl earned it or not, he cannot stop writing to her, responding to her, discussing with her... She will get more, more from him, either way.

I spewed out a few thoughts about that in a earlier post, and I really feel it would be helpful for him to look at this and look into himself and see this dynamic. To see why he likes discussing with her and why he does not like discussing with someone like me.

And if it is because you think I am stupid, an idiot, a k nut, whatever, that is your freedom to think that, and I would appreciate if you just come out and tell me this. Tell me what you really think of me. And then I will decide if I ever want to talk/discuss with you ever again too. You will get more, only when you earn it too.....

Interesting observations SDS. In reality(whatever that is)...eden is simply your run of the mill narcissist.  When ever you put pressure on him...he breaks and runs away, unless you are a woman. If you are a woman he seems less afraid to stick around. Like he's got some sort of dominance/submission thing going on. I've actually tested it several times. He's a fairly easily dominated "rank driven" male.  It is fairly typical of any rank driven male to break and run away when pressed.  That; or I watched too many episodes of Cesar Milan's "Dog Whisperer" while I was unemployed. lol Anyway...I wouldn't worry about it too much...this forum is simply priceless in that it allows for me to see what a total jackass I can be. Hell...forget about eden...stick with yourself. It will yield much more fruit if you do.

I agree wholeheartedly with your brilliant observations Bob.

I did take offense recently to you calling Eden nothing but a punk and said so. I responded from my heart and would still do so if led to.

I feel strongly that he is a human being like the rest of us and deserves love and respect and to be talked to respectfully.

However, there is a place too to tell the facts.

I think his ways are being exposed for all to see now and it is obvious to all. And hopefully he will start seeing it too.

But in the end, it is not about changing him or getting him to see himself, it is about each one of us seeing ourselves as we are. That is all we can do, in reality, is see ourselves and let everyone else do the same.

Thanks for your sharing....

Well...I appreciate you being candid. We all have different images of each other even though we are all the same. This place is a laboratory of self and what I really appreciate is the leeway that the moderator provides here. There seems to be no knee jerk reactionary bannings and it seems to be understood by the moderator that in order for there to be honesty in dialogue...there must be the allowance for that dialogue to go fully through its logical conclusion in order for each participant to fully be able to see his or her place in relationship.
I used to think of this place as more or less a breeding ground of intellectual voyeurism. Probably why I was so attracted to it. I think that I was always an intellectual wanna be and once I realized that a wanna be is all I ever was....I didn't want it anymore. This place allowed for me to work through the charade...and since I have...nothing or no one here really bothers me any longer. But if they do...I am compelled to always look at myself for the reason why.  Sometimes I look without reacting and sometimes in order for me to see it, I react first then ask myself later.  Its all a matter of how strongly I am holding onto an illusion about myself first...the other second. If that makes any sense.

you go after the guys seducing them with talks about how you look good, dress sexy,
dance fabulously, how awesome you feel, how they should come to montreal to meet you,
and then.. you just seem to dump them as a piece of trash.

Eden and I were simply good freinds but some guys think they can control everyone around them, like you, and on seeing they can't go berserk.  that is all.  There's no love affair, no drama as imagined by you, but if it pleases you to think that it was one, then it's your problem, not mine.

Last edited by pearl (2012-02-25 18:44:03)