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RJ · 2011-12-22 17:46:26

alright you two, break it up
by the power vested in me, by me
(and by you for the fact that you are reading me right now and, let's face it your eyeballs are now glued to this page and even if every better instinct you possessed was screaming at you to look away you still couldn't do it so I can keep this is up for whole sentences longer and you will remain in my thrall... heh heh heh (please imagine slightly maniacal and definitely evil laugh)
so, by the power vested etc...

I now pronounce you Mr BobDelicious to have a slightly fatter cock than Joe and
you Mr Joe Bro, to have a slightly longer cock then Bob

so I guess on the night we were all winners really

now kindly stop waving your penises around in public and proceeding to piss on my lovely internet, yes you heard me, my internet (re-insert slightly maniacal and definitely etc)

One cock to bind them and one cock to rule them all!

My version of consciousness is better than yours!!

Even as ye be tucked away in thy minute offices, nooks and crannies, Ye shall witness the veracity of my cunning arguments from a safe distance and tremble at the jolly erudite way I prove that I am indeed, I. Oh mighty I, how I adore and wish thee to be more of me.

Now, let's all put away our tremendous swords, I think we have admired each others tackle sufficiently me maties. To the Interweb! There are countless fools on countless other forums who have not the slightest idea even how to unzip!

To your keyboards I command you!!!

BobD · 2011-12-22 17:58:59

But he started it mom...

BobD · 2011-12-22 19:17:26

joe wrote:
BobD wrote:
Look joe...you respond to me yelling in arrogant certitude and assuming that I didn't know the difference between pshchological and mechanical with this little tidbit:

"don't, don't don't believe the hype! Awareness is thought, it is just not psychological thought. For awareness to be at all relies on the sensate body; neurons are firing all the time and sending signals which constitute awareness."

...and I in turn, in my egoic, idiosyncric and typical manner...pop off with in essence, my version of "No shit, sherlock" assuming that all here were cognitive enough to know that OF COURSE we are talking about the psychological realm.

So here's what I'll do short of draw you a picture...awareness (being mechanical) and PSYCHOLOGICAL thought are mutually exclusive. There....are you feeling better now? Or is awareness not mechanical in your eyes? If not...then I feel as though I have opened up yet, another can of worms.
so what is awareness Bob, in your own words?

Awareness to me is life without judgement

wilbro99 · 2011-12-22 20:06:53

BobD wrote:
Awareness to me is life without judgement

Ok, my turn. The following will express what awareness is to me.

Awareness is a word that needs qualifying, else what it means is legion. Awareness became aware of awareness and became self-aware.

Consciousness became conscious of consciousness and became self-conscious.

It caught itself itting and became itself. What can it be other than reflection, else there would be no space in which that self-catch would occur.

When that catch, that reflection, comes apart, the occurrence recorded is the sensation of a being orienting the flow of energy away from itself only.

When the catch is again made, the first catch is the grounding of oneself in one's senses. It then becomes understood that there is a second catch that creates a storm within the first catch.

Well, that came out in the right place; my understanding in a nutshell. That, then, is the form from which I wonk.

Oh daddy, look what I found! I saw a robin eating one and I got me two of them. I ate one of them; sort of earthy…

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joe · 2011-12-22 23:18:20

BobD wrote:
joe wrote:
BobD wrote:
Look joe...you respond to me yelling in arrogant certitude and assuming that I didn't know the difference between pshchological and mechanical with this little tidbit:

"don't, don't don't believe the hype! Awareness is thought, it is just not psychological thought. For awareness to be at all relies on the sensate body; neurons are firing all the time and sending signals which constitute awareness."

...and I in turn, in my egoic, idiosyncric and typical manner...pop off with in essence, my version of "No shit, sherlock" assuming that all here were cognitive enough to know that OF COURSE we are talking about the psychological realm.

So here's what I'll do short of draw you a picture...awareness (being mechanical) and PSYCHOLOGICAL thought are mutually exclusive. There....are you feeling better now? Or is awareness not mechanical in your eyes? If not...then I feel as though I have opened up yet, another can of worms.
so what is awareness Bob, in your own words?
Awareness to me is life without judgement

So are you saying that awareness is the non-judgemental seer? That which sees what is there without identifying positively or negatively to what is seen? Pardon me if these seem dumb questions but i genuinely want to know if that is what you mean here.

adam · 2011-12-23 01:13:37

BobD wrote:
adam wrote:
awareness may not be related to thought, but it can act on thought and so has a relationship with it, but thought cannot act on awareness. Awareness is not of thought but can act on it.
It would seem that awareness and thought are mutually exclusive

If awareness and thought are mutually exclusive, it would mean that when there is awareness there is no thought , so there can be no awareness of thought.
When there is awareness there can be awareness of thought.
I would say there can be awareness of thought. So awareness has a relation with thought but thought has no relation to awareness. The relation is only in one direction. It is not mutual.
Thought cannot think about awareness or touch it in words. But there can be awareness of thought.

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awareness · 2011-12-23 01:55:29

awareness has no relationship to thought (k, tradition and revolution)!

BobD · 2011-12-23 03:58:13

joe wrote:
BobD wrote:
joe wrote:

so what is awareness Bob, in your own words?
Awareness to me is life without judgement
So are you saying that awareness is the non-judgemental seer? That which sees what is there without identifying positively or negatively to what is seen? Pardon me if these seem dumb questions but i genuinely want to know if that is what you mean here.

Close...but no.

joe · 2011-12-23 08:16:19

BobD wrote:
joe wrote:
BobD wrote:

Awareness to me is life without judgement
So are you saying that awareness is the non-judgemental seer? That which sees what is there without identifying positively or negatively to what is seen? Pardon me if these seem dumb questions but i genuinely want to know if that is what you mean here.
Close...but no.

Ok, what is different? I am asking you to locate awareness. Is it part of our functioning or some special mystical state?

BobD · 2011-12-23 10:56:38

joe wrote:
BobD wrote:
joe wrote:

So are you saying that awareness is the non-judgemental seer? That which sees what is there without identifying positively or negatively to what is seen? Pardon me if these seem dumb questions but i genuinely want to know if that is what you mean here.
Close...but no.
Ok, what is different? I am asking you to locate awareness. Is it part of our functioning or some special mystical state?

OK. I have located it...now what? Did you find yours yet? The second question you asked is just childish...but if there is some serious validity to it that I'm not seeing, let me know and I will look at it again. This is kinda fun.

joe · 2011-12-23 11:37:42

BobD wrote:
joe wrote:
BobD wrote:

Close...but no.
Ok, what is different? I am asking you to locate awareness. Is it part of our functioning or some special mystical state?
OK. I have located it...now what? Did you find yours yet? The second question you asked is just childish...but if there is some serious validity to it that I'm not seeing, let me know and I will look at it again. This is kinda fun.

I do not think it is childish, I see it implied here all the time in the words people use to describe it. I am not implying it but I see it happen continually here. So you say you located it, what is it and where is it? Can you be specific please?

tree · 2011-12-23 11:47:08

joe wrote:
BobD wrote:
joe wrote:

Ok, what is different? I am asking you to locate awareness. Is it part of our functioning or some special mystical state?
OK. I have located it...now what? Did you find yours yet? The second question you asked is just childish...but if there is some serious validity to it that I'm not seeing, let me know and I will look at it again. This is kinda fun.
I do not think it is childish, I see it implied here all the time in the words people use to describe it. I am not implying it but I see it happen continually here. So you say you located it, what is it and where is it? Can you be specific please?

(you're sitting on it)

tree · 2011-12-23 11:48:13

(now)

awareness · 2011-12-23 11:59:57

i will go to the congress of neurology and will ask there the functioning part, and afterwards i will go to some mystic meetings, perhaps they can tell me about

tree · 2011-12-23 12:05:20

hmmm...

awareness · 2011-12-23 12:08:39

what? kundalini........hmmm.

awareness · 2011-12-23 12:11:37

you can call it also sensitivity. is awareness separated from sensitivity?

tree · 2011-12-23 12:15:22

he will find a way

joe · 2011-12-23 12:16:52

tree wrote:
joe wrote:
BobD wrote:

OK. I have located it...now what? Did you find yours yet? The second question you asked is just childish...but if there is some serious validity to it that I'm not seeing, let me know and I will look at it again. This is kinda fun.
I do not think it is childish, I see it implied here all the time in the words people use to describe it. I am not implying it but I see it happen continually here. So you say you located it, what is it and where is it? Can you be specific please?
(you're sitting on it)

why are you doing this tree?

tree · 2011-12-23 12:18:19

joe wrote:
tree wrote:
joe wrote:

I do not think it is childish, I see it implied here all the time in the words people use to describe it. I am not implying it but I see it happen continually here. So you say you located it, what is it and where is it? Can you be specific please?
(you're sitting on it)
why are you doing this tree?

this does us

awareness · 2011-12-23 12:19:37

joe wrote:
Are you aware of the tree? What you are calling awareness has a residue, that is the speculation. To have any idea whatsoever about awareness means that it is touched by thought, or as adam has put it there is a relationship. Think about it.

why are you doing this, joe

tree · 2011-12-23 12:19:59

joe wrote:
tree wrote:
joe wrote:

I do not think it is childish, I see it implied here all the time in the words people use to describe it. I am not implying it but I see it happen continually here. So you say you located it, what is it and where is it? Can you be specific please?
(you're sitting on it)
why are you doing this tree?

? doing what?

joe · 2011-12-23 12:25:39

Are you contributing anything in seriousness or just f-ing around? I am trying to have a real conversation with Bob so i can actually understand what he means when he says awareness. Your contributions to date are only statements and vague ones at that. What do you mean when you say awareness, can you describe it beyond saying this?

joe · 2011-12-23 12:27:02

awareness wrote:
joe wrote:
Are you aware of the tree? What you are calling awareness has a residue, that is the speculation. To have any idea whatsoever about awareness means that it is touched by thought, or as adam has put it there is a relationship. Think about it.
why are you doing this, joe

For years and years now I see the same presumptions being made about 'awareness', 'enlightenment', 'silence'. Why not challenge the presumptions?

tree · 2011-12-23 12:29:22

joe wrote:
Are you contributing anything in seriousness or just f-ing around? I am trying to have a real conversation with Bob so i can actually understand what he means when he says awareness. Your contributions to date are only statements and vague ones at that. What do you mean when you say awareness, can you describe it beyond saying this?

is there more?

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