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#176 2011-12-29 00:45:41

Eden
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Re: wonderful world

Sorry willy, that is not the correct answer, nor is it particularly clever or funny. Don't worry though, there is still a Daily Double left on the other thread....

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#177 2011-12-29 00:51:37

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Re: wonderful world

I can't imagine why you would think that...I thought it was very funny and slyly clever.

Oh well...

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#178 2011-12-29 00:57:12

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Re: wonderful world

Eden wrote:

Thanks for keeping my life simple miss pearl.  The temptation of more feminine energy in my universe might be too much for me to handle as I am already swimming in it and with you I might just drown.

No problem.  It seems you already have your plate full.  :-) You say you love feminine energy and I wonder how can you ever have 'too much' of something you love? :-)

Here too surrounded by the sweetest, most beautiful masculine energy at its purest, uncontaminated, undiluted...  What a real gift it is for a woman like me.  Greatest joy indeed.  In the modersn day world most men have lost that innate, sweet quality and becoming like women, where as most women turning masculine in the way they look, carry themselves..interesting to observe.


Eden wrote:

Lovely beach day here....looking for seashells with the little one....playing chase, and being chased, then some swimming, more frolicking, a break for coconut juice and then off to another beach, more frolicking, some tide pool exploration, some more chasing, and then a stubbed toe necessitating a long piggy back ride....finally a blissful rest in the hammock at sunset.

Now, that's what I like to hear.  It's the best music to my ears.

Eden wrote:

Feeling myself opening, ever deeper, always noticing the subtle closures and transmuting them into evermore openness.

That's awesome and a breath of fresh air to know that.

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#179 2011-12-29 04:15:18

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Re: wonderful world

I read this I did. I didn't write it, well I did, but I didn't really write it, but I sort of did.

The discovery of who you really are brings peace in the midst of the storm of life. For what you are cannot fall apart, even when things fall apart. What you are cannot break or decay, even when the body breaks or decays. What you are is always Home, even when you're far away from home.    Jeff Foster.

I posted this under the WONDERFUL WORLD THREAD.  Lots of wonderful people who have said wonderful things

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#180 2011-12-29 13:32:25

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Re: wonderful world

bruce sean wrote:

The world is NOT wonderful.

LOL, what do you mean Bruce ? Are you blind to beauty ?

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#181 2011-12-29 13:51:11

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Re: wonderful world

Babubabs, Home is a loaded word, but it may be the singular word that opens the door to a mutual understanding.

I'll take my wonk on the word to my 'home for idiots' thread so as not to disturb this thread.

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#182 2011-12-29 19:55:35

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Re: wonderful world

matsqqqq wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

The world is NOT wonderful.

LOL, what do you mean Bruce ? Are you blind to beauty ?

By the world I meant people. I wouldn't call them a thing of beauty. It doesn't matter how they're called, there is no beauty in them. That doesn't mean I'm bitter, or frustrated. It is so.

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#183 2011-12-29 19:58:17

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Re: wonderful world

Eden wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

Eden wrote:

The very concept has been obliterated by this body and mind. Totally consumed and exhaled for all of eternity....no longer even proper for poetry.

And all you are left to do is sharpen communication-that's all the body needs...

The body has many needs--it is busy sharpening many skills.  If you think my language skills are fairly impressive, well, you should see me open a coconut.

Is the body which has this need of sharpening communication? Or is it thought? Is it the body which identifies with a movement you talked of long time ago, a new culture, all that-or is it thought?

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#184 2011-12-29 20:02:46

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Re: wonderful world

Eden wrote:

There is nothing more unselfish than total selfishness(which is why I don't even bother to use the word one way or the other).

Total selfishness is the state of the present mind: even when doing something which benefits another, it benefits itself first. Most minds are just that: completely selfish-there is NO partial selfishness. Even psychologists agree with that, I'm told.
  And like any fact, it stands by itself: there is NO partial selfishness.

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#185 2011-12-29 20:25:25

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Re: wonderful world

wilbro99 wrote:

Babubabs, Home is a loaded word, but it may be the singular word that opens the door to a mutual understanding.

I'll take my wonk on the word to my 'home for idiots' thread so as not to disturb this thread.

OKAY, I just saw this, after i saw you address the GREAT BABU in the idiot thread. EXTREMELY UPSETTING!!!!! (pssss, Babu, only idiots look in that thread) so anyway, there I was, as proud as punch to be nominated. THANKS.

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#186 2011-12-29 20:59:01

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Re: wonderful world

bruce sean wrote:

Total selfishness is the state of the present mind: even when doing something which benefits another, it benefits itself first.

There is no "other". Your fragmented and concept ridden mind cannot grasp that basic fact.  A totally selfish mind cares for the "other" because it sees/feels clearly that in doing so it is actually caring for itself. 

bruce sean wrote:

Most minds are just that: completely selfish-there is NO partial selfishness. Even psychologists agree with that, I'm told.

Psychologists agree with you...wow....your credibility just got a super boost. 

bruce sean wrote:

And like any fact, it stands by itself: there is NO partial selfishness.

These minds that you think are selfish are anything but selfish....they are busy defending stories and myths, which is not selfishness at all.

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#187 2011-12-29 21:06:33

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Re: wonderful world

Defending is the essence of selfishness. Defending the enclosure in which the self lives. Or rather thinks it lives, but that's the reality for such a self, based on illusion or not, but it's its life: it thinks it lives within an enclosure.

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#188 2011-12-29 21:09:32

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Re: wonderful world

bruce sean wrote:

Eden wrote:

bruce sean wrote:


And all you are left to do is sharpen communication-that's all the body needs...

The body has many needs--it is busy sharpening many skills.  If you think my language skills are fairly impressive, well, you should see me open a coconut.

Is the body which has this need of sharpening communication? Or is it thought? Is it the body which identifies with a movement you talked of long time ago, a new culture, all that-or is it thought?

Is it the body that needs a coconut, or is it thought?  blah blah blah.  You cannot conceive of a human that is being driven by anything but "thought"...in fact you don't even believe they exist.   I could tell you all day long that this body was thirsty an hour ago and so it drank a coconut and it would prove nothing...all it would do is stimulate asinine replies from you like the one above asking me if I was actually thirsty or if it was thought telling me that the body was thirsty. 

Sorry to burst your bubble brucey, but this body has evolved to the point where it can distinguish.  Best of the luck in the tar pits....you seem to be sinking deeper by the day.

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#189 2011-12-29 21:15:10

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Re: wonderful world

bruce sean wrote:

Defending is the essence of selfishness. Defending the enclosure in which the self lives. Or rather thinks it lives, but that's the reality for such a self, based on illusion or not, but it's its life: it thinks it lives within an enclosure.

Indeed...such is your daily routine...defending your pathetic ideas...unconscious limp attempts to spread your fragmented perception of life.   The evidence is plain to see, in fact I have proven it time and time again.

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#190 2011-12-29 21:21:56

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Re: wonderful world

As for openness.....that is what drives this body, in my deepest cells.  The drive to open to all of life, to open other bodies, which is my own body.  I practice it daily, in my daily life....what skill can be more precious than to open other bodies to inifinite bliss....to enter that which is closed and bloom it open to god.

To a masculine body, nothing is more attractive in this entire universe than the feminine body, and no attraction is stronger than the pull to bloom open the feminine body to its fullest expression of divine love and light and sexuality and radiance and bliss(which are one), and to merge with her, dissolve into her.

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#191 2011-12-29 21:36:09

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Re: wonderful world

Yes, pleasure at its best. Fantasizing about it, getting excited about it-thought all the way. Look at it.

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#192 2011-12-29 21:37:47

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Re: wonderful world

Eden wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

Defending is the essence of selfishness. Defending the enclosure in which the self lives. Or rather thinks it lives, but that's the reality for such a self, based on illusion or not, but it's its life: it thinks it lives within an enclosure.

Indeed...such is your daily routine...defending your pathetic ideas...unconscious limp attempts to spread your fragmented perception of life.   The evidence is plain to see, in fact I have proven it time and time again.

You're turning personal what I say. I pointed out that defending is the action of the self, since you said it is not, that's all. No need to dramatize and become emotional.

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#193 2011-12-29 21:43:08

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Re: wonderful world

Eden wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

Eden wrote:


The body has many needs--it is busy sharpening many skills.  If you think my language skills are fairly impressive, well, you should see me open a coconut.

Is the body which has this need of sharpening communication? Or is it thought? Is it the body which identifies with a movement you talked of long time ago, a new culture, all that-or is it thought?

Is it the body that needs a coconut, or is it thought?  blah blah blah.  You cannot conceive of a human that is being driven by anything but "thought"...in fact you don't even believe they exist.   I could tell you all day long that this body was thirsty an hour ago and so it drank a coconut and it would prove nothing...all it would do is stimulate asinine replies from you like the one above asking me if I was actually thirsty or if it was thought telling me that the body was thirsty. 

Sorry to burst your bubble brucey, but this body has evolved to the point where it can distinguish.  Best of the luck in the tar pits....you seem to be sinking deeper by the day.

Yes, distinguishing is still the action of thought. Flush your coconut down the toilet, we were not talking about that. Not everything reduces itself to a coconut, as thought would like to believe.

  You think there is but one mind: and so there's no need for doing something for another. The question is: when you see the patterns of the mind, which are universal, and go through a fundamental transformation, which changes those patterns, then are you still part of that mind?

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#194 2011-12-29 21:53:14

Eden
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Re: wonderful world

bruce sean wrote:

Yes, pleasure at its best. Fantasizing about it, getting excited about it-thought all the way. Look at it.

You mistake openess for pleasure.  Openness is certainly pleasurable, but it is much much more than that.  Your total closure is evident, as always.

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#195 2011-12-29 21:56:06

Eden
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Re: wonderful world

bruce sean wrote:

You're turning personal what I say. I pointed out that defending is the action of the self, since you said it is not, that's all. No need to dramatize and become emotional.

Who said I was talking to you?  Your turning it personal what I say. No need to dramatize it.

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#196 2011-12-29 22:09:44

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Re: wonderful world

bruce sean wrote:

You think there is but one mind: and so there's no need for doing something for another.

Only someone totally closed would leap to such an absurd conclusion.

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#197 2011-12-29 23:39:04

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Re: wonderful world

Eden wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

You think there is but one mind: and so there's no need for doing something for another.

Only someone totally closed would leap to such an absurd conclusion.

Only someone who is so totally lost, full of himself, would make such grandiose statements as you continually do. You are doing nothing but making yourself look like a fool in the name of your so called sharpening of language. You are nothing but a spiritual beginner. Go back to spirituality 101 and when you are ready, come back here.

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#198 2011-12-30 00:02:14

Eden
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Re: wonderful world

The rat race getting you down sds? Or is it the just the winter blues?

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#199 2011-12-30 05:50:11

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Re: wonderful world

sds wrote:

Eden wrote:

bruce sean wrote:

You think there is but one mind: and so there's no need for doing something for another.

Only someone totally closed would leap to such an absurd conclusion.

Only someone who is so totally lost, full of himself, would make such grandiose statements as you continually do. You are doing nothing but making yourself look like a fool in the name of your so called sharpening of language. You are nothing but a spiritual beginner. Go back to spirituality 101 and when you are ready, come back here.

SDS, the man has some good and honest insights, unlike the women haters of this forum who are terrified and look down on women.  His honesty is refreshing unlike the shallow, pretentious words of the bruces, of the forum.

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#200 2011-12-30 07:44:39

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Re: wonderful world

pearl wrote:

sds wrote:

Eden wrote:


Only someone totally closed would leap to such an absurd conclusion.

Only someone who is so totally lost, full of himself, would make such grandiose statements as you continually do. You are doing nothing but making yourself look like a fool in the name of your so called sharpening of language. You are nothing but a spiritual beginner. Go back to spirituality 101 and when you are ready, come back here.

SDS, the man has some good and honest insights, unlike the women haters of this forum who are terrified and look down on women.  His honesty is refreshing unlike the shallow, pretentious words of the bruces, of the forum.

pearl, what had you there excavated? "the women haters"... lol, really good for a deep lough

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