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Peer · 2011-11-28 01:22:38

Hi
K, often talked about our routinely monotonic life: going to the office, factory and so on, from a certain hour to a certain hour and then,when we are not at work he said, we are indulging in all sorts of entertainments. My question: Do any of you here now what did he suggest instead regarding these matters? Need to be addressed to the talk or the book he dealt whit this.
Thank you all

bruce sean · 2011-11-28 01:44:55

There's nothing wrong with having a routine in daily life, if someone asks me. The problem is when there is a desire to get something out of that routine, some form of pleasure, of satisfaction. A routine by itself is something mechanical, just like thought, and thought does have its place, doesn't it?

Imagine the anxiety caused by having to decide continuously what to do with your time for 16 hours every day, assuming you sleep 8 hours. Moreover, certain routines are imposed by your work schedule, so one has to work around that. Now, if one is bored by their work then indeed the mind has a problem: how to get away from it, how quickly, what to do after, in order to remove the tension created by a work which is not enjoyable, or perhaps creating routines to achieve a better position, that kind of thing. Then routines do pose a problem.

But not necessarily. What is important is whether or not attention is present, not the routine in itself.

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Jayaraj · 2011-11-28 02:02:42

Peer, I think it's a question of attention as Bruce said in his last sentence.

Well what K pointed out in this regard is time. Understanding time. We have a thing called spending the time. Which is an entity meeting the present. This entity is put together by the past. It is this holding on to the past that makes for routine & monotony.So it's a question of attention.Giving the present undivided attention.

Peer · 2011-11-28 02:16:58

Hi
As I do not wish to speculate or to assume in any way regarding this matter, is the exact reason why I have requested to be addressed to the talk or the book he dealt with the matter.

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kirsten · 2011-11-28 07:52:09

hi peer
here.. 1st Public Talk Bombay 1965

kirsten · 2011-11-28 07:56:41

it comes from
Collected Works vol 15 - Dignity of Living

Peer · 2011-11-28 10:15:52

kirsten wrote:
it comes from
Collected Works vol 15 - Dignity of Living

Thank you for the info Kirsten, I think that will help.

bruce sean · 2011-11-29 01:48:33

Peer wrote:
Hi
As I do not wish to speculate or to assume in any way regarding this matter, is the exact reason why I have requested to be addressed to the talk or the book he dealt with the matter.

Ah, you're not here to inquire on your own. You'd rather depend on another to give you the answer. Which is what? Knowledge-thought finding security in knowledge, which is what? A method, thought begging for a method to solve its own problems, but not seeing that the problem is its very presence.

It is only when thought is solving its own problem that seeing can begin to take place, so that you won't look for answers to secondary questions like the place of a routine in daily life.

Stop thought, so to speak, and then the answer will come to you. All the answers will come to you-no need to ever ask another.

Peer · 2011-11-29 02:27:17

bruce sean wrote:
Peer wrote:
Hi
As I do not wish to speculate or to assume in any way regarding this matter, is the exact reason why I have requested to be addressed to the talk or the book he dealt with the matter.
Ah, you're not here to inquire on your own. You'd rather depend on another to give you the answer. Which is what? Knowledge-thought finding security in knowledge, which is what? A method, thought begging for a method to solve its own problems, but not seeing that the problem is its very presence.

It is only when thought is solving its own problem that seeing can begin to take place, so that you won't look for answers to secondary questions like the place of a routine in daily life.

Stop thought, so to speak, and then the answer will come to you. All the answers will come to you-no need to ever ask another.

With all due respect, Mr Bruce, unless you are the moderator of this forum, you are in no position to patronize me and tell me how should I inquire, what kind of questions should I ask, and lecture me without being asked to so. You can always choose to disregard questions such as mine....

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natura · 2011-11-29 02:54:33

Peer wrote:
bruce sean wrote:
Peer wrote:
Hi
As I do not wish to speculate or to assume in any way regarding this matter, is the exact reason why I have requested to be addressed to the talk or the book he dealt with the matter.
Ah, you're not here to inquire on your own. You'd rather depend on another to give you the answer. Which is what? Knowledge-thought finding security in knowledge, which is what? A method, thought begging for a method to solve its own problems, but not seeing that the problem is its very presence.

It is only when thought is solving its own problem that seeing can begin to take place, so that you won't look for answers to secondary questions like the place of a routine in daily life.

Stop thought, so to speak, and then the answer will come to you. All the answers will come to you-no need to ever ask another.
With all due respect, Mr Bruce, unless you are the moderator of this forum, you are in no position to patronize me and tell me how should I inquire and lecture me without being asked to so. You can always choose to disregard questions such as mine....

Welcome, Peer

No bad start.

You’ve definitely won that face-off.

Congratulations.

awareness · 2011-11-29 03:16:28

natura wrote:
Peer wrote:
bruce sean wrote:

Ah, you're not here to inquire on your own. You'd rather depend on another to give you the answer. Which is what? Knowledge-thought finding security in knowledge, which is what? A method, thought begging for a method to solve its own problems, but not seeing that the problem is its very presence.

It is only when thought is solving its own problem that seeing can begin to take place, so that you won't look for answers to secondary questions like the place of a routine in daily life.

Stop thought, so to speak, and then the answer will come to you. All the answers will come to you-no need to ever ask another.
With all due respect, Mr Bruce, unless you are the moderator of this forum, you are in no position to patronize me and tell me how should I inquire and lecture me without being asked to so. You can always choose to disregard questions such as mine....
Welcome, Peer

No bad start.

You’ve definitely won that face-off.

Congratulations.

what are you talking about? win? position? goal?

natura · 2011-11-29 03:27:59

awareness wrote:
natura wrote:
Peer wrote:

With all due respect, Mr Bruce, unless you are the moderator of this forum, you are in no position to patronize me and tell me how should I inquire and lecture me without being asked to so. You can always choose to disregard questions such as mine....
Welcome, Peer

No bad start.

You’ve definitely won that face-off.

Congratulations.
what are you talking about? win? position? goal?

What I’m talking about?

I don’t like quotations, generally, but as soon our friend Peer is looking for written material, I may remember one which Krishnamurti said.

‘The freedom is no goal. It must be from the beginning’.

So, my point is too, let’s not patronizing each other without necessity if we want our own freedom.

Peer · 2011-11-29 10:39:18

Hi to you all
Since I asked a question here, and while looking for this issue wishing to go in to it more deeply I bumped in to :
J.Krishnamurty online>>> http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/krishnamurti-teachings/
This is a text, video and audio search engine, built in K`s official site. I thought I`d share it with you and hope it will have a use for some of you.

kirsten · 2011-11-29 16:43:46

thankyou peer, yes that's a nice url to search for specifics in the teachings
here the direct click http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/krishnamurti-teachings

bruce sean · 2011-11-30 00:52:33

Peer wrote:
bruce sean wrote:
Peer wrote:
Hi
As I do not wish to speculate or to assume in any way regarding this matter, is the exact reason why I have requested to be addressed to the talk or the book he dealt with the matter.
Ah, you're not here to inquire on your own. You'd rather depend on another to give you the answer. Which is what? Knowledge-thought finding security in knowledge, which is what? A method, thought begging for a method to solve its own problems, but not seeing that the problem is its very presence.

It is only when thought is solving its own problem that seeing can begin to take place, so that you won't look for answers to secondary questions like the place of a routine in daily life.

Stop thought, so to speak, and then the answer will come to you. All the answers will come to you-no need to ever ask another.
With all due respect, Mr Bruce, unless you are the moderator of this forum, you are in no position to patronize me and tell me how should I inquire, ...

I'm not telling you 'how to inquire':rather, there's no inquiry at all, from the very beginning when all you want is a reference text. It is a fact: you're not here to inquire, at least not yet.

Whenever you're ready, I'll be the first to join you.

bruce sean · 2011-11-30 00:54:14

natura wrote:
Peer wrote:
bruce sean wrote:

Ah, you're not here to inquire on your own. You'd rather depend on another to give you the answer. Which is what? Knowledge-thought finding security in knowledge, which is what? A method, thought begging for a method to solve its own problems, but not seeing that the problem is its very presence.

It is only when thought is solving its own problem that seeing can begin to take place, so that you won't look for answers to secondary questions like the place of a routine in daily life.

Stop thought, so to speak, and then the answer will come to you. All the answers will come to you-no need to ever ask another.
With all due respect, Mr Bruce, unless you are the moderator of this forum, you are in no position to patronize me and tell me how should I inquire and lecture me without being asked to so. You can always choose to disregard questions such as mine....
Welcome, Peer

No bad start.

You’ve definitely won that face-off.

Congratulations.

No winners, no losers, in this department. By the way, freedom is not yours or mine.

natura · 2011-11-30 02:29:35

bruce sean wrote:
By the way, freedom is not yours or mine.

No, it is not, just anyone of us could be in there

wilbro99 · 2011-11-30 12:40:28

bruce sez: "By the way, freedom is not yours or mine."

γνῶθι σεαυτόν sez: "No, it is not, just anyone of us could be in there"

wonky-tonky: Now, there is a double in that we could get in a conversation about; the first in being necessary if the second in is to be practiced.

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Peer · 2011-11-30 12:59:45

bruce sean wrote:
Peer wrote:
bruce sean wrote:
Ah, you're not here to inquire on your own. You'd rather depend on another to give you the answer. Which is what? Knowledge-thought finding security in knowledge, which is what? A method, thought begging for a method to solve its own problems, but not seeing that the problem is its very presence.

It is only when thought is solving its own problem that seeing can begin to take place, so that you won't look for answers to secondary questions like the place of a routine in daily life.

Stop thought, so to speak, and then the answer will come to you. All the answers will come to you-no need to ever ask another.
With all due respect, Mr Bruce, unless you are the moderator of this forum, you are in no position to patronize me and tell me how should I inquire, ...
I'm not telling you 'how to inquire':rather, there's no inquiry at all, from the very beginning when all you want is a reference text. It is a fact: you're not here to inquire, at least not yet.

Whenever you're ready, I'll be the first to join you.

I can see MR.Bruce that you are so K brain washed, and so judgmental and patronizing that you can not even conceive that someone could ask a question without you having to say something to antagonize it. I`ll put it in K`s language and you may understand it that way:What is is what I ask or do, what it is is not, is what you think I should do or ask regarding my question by some vague set of standards.

awareness · 2011-11-30 13:04:19

Peer wrote:
bruce sean wrote:
Peer wrote:

With all due respect, Mr Bruce, unless you are the moderator of this forum, you are in no position to patronize me and tell me how should I inquire, ...
I'm not telling you 'how to inquire':rather, there's no inquiry at all, from the very beginning when all you want is a reference text. It is a fact: you're not here to inquire, at least not yet.

Whenever you're ready, I'll be the first to join you.
I can see MR.Bruce that you are so K brain washed, and so judgmental and patronizing that you can not even conceive that someone could ask a question without you having to say something to antagonize it. I`ll put it in K`s language and you may understand it that way:What is is what I ask or do, what it is is not, is what you think I should do or ask regarding my question by some vague set of standards.

dont simulize a conflict, if there is no one

natura · 2011-11-30 16:33:40

awareness wrote:
Peer wrote:
bruce sean wrote:

I'm not telling you 'how to inquire':rather, there's no inquiry at all, from the very beginning when all you want is a reference text. It is a fact: you're not here to inquire, at least not yet.

Whenever you're ready, I'll be the first to join you.
I can see MR.Bruce that you are so K brain washed, and so judgmental and patronizing that you can not even conceive that someone could ask a question without you having to say something to antagonize it. I`ll put it in K`s language and you may understand it that way:What is is what I ask or do, what it is is not, is what you think I should do or ask regarding my question by some vague set of standards.
dont simulize a conflict, if there is no one

Good advice, awareness, very wise one.

But the conflict is running on, anyway, isn’t it?

Who says that human being doesn’t love conflicts and won’t create them even ‘if there is no one’?

natura · 2011-11-30 16:49:49

wilbro99 wrote:
bruce sez: "By the way, freedom is not yours or mine."

γνῶθι σεαυτόν sez: "No, it is not, just anyone of us could be in there"

wonky-tonky: Now, there is a double in that we could get in a conversation about; the first in being necessary if the second in is to be practiced.

Might be not bad observation, willy

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Eden · 2011-11-30 17:12:18

bruce sean wrote:
I'm not telling you 'how to inquire':rather, there's no inquiry at all, from the very beginning when all you want is a reference text. It is a fact: you're not here to inquire, at least not yet.

Whenever you're ready, I'll be the first to join you.

You looking for an 'inquiry partner' brucey? You can always come join the 20 million species of animals that are busy inquiring right now...or does your partner need to be human?

Eden · 2011-11-30 17:26:14

bruce sean wrote:
It is a fact: you're not here to inquire, at least not yet.

If someone is not inquiring, then they aren't even alive. Would you agree with that bruce?

So is your interest really in ending human suffering, or is it more 'essentially' to quicken the dead?

After all, you have said that most people don't even know they are suffering, which to me implies that someone is nearly brain dead.

Though I still do find it strange that you want to free people from suffering, when they don't even know they are suffering. Shouldn't your main interest be in freeing those who know they are suffering? lol.

No wait...I get it.....you want people to be able to feel their suffering first, so they can then want to be freed of the suffering. Got it.

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natura · 2011-11-30 18:16:51

Eden wrote:
If someone is not inquiring, then they aren't even alive. Would you agree with that bruce?

That reminds me about a very old saying: ‘If a child isn’t heard for a long time crying, the child might be already dead’.

Eden wrote:
So is your interest really in ending human suffering, or is it more 'essentially' to quicken the dead?

Beautiful question, Eden

Eden wrote:
After all, you have said that most people don't even know they are suffering, which to me implies that someone is nearly brain dead.

I would make the distance even shorter than just ‘nearly’. We can doubt everything, but this one.

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