KFA - Krishnamurti Foundation of America

The 'before' means what Javaraj said: change.

  That was a comment on no. 50.

Last edited by bruce sean (2011-11-28 00:44:25)

Jayaraj wrote:

I said perceiving through the sensory organs.

All animals perceive through the sensory organs so according to you all animals draw from "past knowledge" and thus "stored experience".  Where's the problem? 

Jayaraj wrote:

Look sir, discussing implies seeing the context in which words are used & understanding what is said.It requires looking beyond the words not jump to conclusions overlooking what is implied just to win.

When I look at you beyond the words I see a body that cannot look beyond words.

Jayaraj wrote:

According to what I said all living beings gather knowledge from sensory perception which is stored & then drawn up on whenever needed.

The problem is sensory perception sees objects in an unchanging way & thus man goes on to build images about people from experiences oblivious of the fact that things are in a flux

The senses don't always fail to see objects in an unchanging way. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't.  This is the case with every animal.  Every species of animal has a differing capacity to perceive change and flux....it differs even amongst humans.  Some are still stuck in the tar pits, some aren't.  Where is the problem?

Jayaraj wrote:

Man gets himself into a trap because of the limitation of the senses.

Trap? Why not just say it is a challenge? To call it a "trap" is fine too as every "trap" in nature is part of survival and part of challenging the species to be stronger and more intelligent....those that fall in the trap perish, those who see the trap for what it is, live on...and the species adapts/evolves. 

Every animal is limited by the senses and always will be, including the human. There has never been a problem, there isn't a problem, nor will there ever be one. All animals face the challenge of illusions on a daily basis.  Show me one animal that is not facing the challenge of camoflauges, mimicry, traps, and perception of flux on a daily basis.  Traps are everywhere in nature and they are part of the perfect symbiosis of the one organism that we are.

Jayaraj wrote:

If you look at me without the words then you cannot see anything because man, which is 'me', 'you' is only words.So you used words & made an image which you call me which is the trap I talked above.

Not true at all.  When I look without words I see a animal, who is falling into a trap.  Should I reach into the spider web and take out the moth?

Last edited by Eden (2011-11-29 00:13:03)

I mean, why pick a K site to deliver this groundbreaking information?

joe wrote:

eden...if there is no problem, why are you here?

If you had oranges for breakfast, why are you here?  Such a question makes no sense unless there is a direction relationship between oranges and participation at this forum. 

Is a problem a requirement for being here?  If not, rephrase your question.

Eden wrote:

joe wrote:

I mean, why pick a K site to deliver this groundbreaking information?

Is it groundbreaking?

Is that you Shade, Mark, Martin? I've changed my mind on UG by the way. Dude, just ignore what I said before you left the ning site. C'mon back. You were the sanest of the crazies!

Last edited by kentura (2011-11-29 04:26:36)

RJ wrote:

you see, you have followers Eden
its not so bad
the effort has not been in vain

UG eh, oh dear oh dear
the other Krishnamurti,
this man is really crazy, and not in a nice way

it shows how truly lost people are that they can even look at his face, his eyes, and not see the darkness, the despair
he went so into himself that he got lost in himself
and called it...
well he talks a lot
the shameless fraud!

give a hundred homeless his kind of childhood and education and at least one or two of them will convince a few gatherings that they have come back from the mountaintop with some tablets of the truth...

now i understand it, they mixed k with ug

Eden wrote:

awareness wrote:

now i understand it, they mixed k with ug

LOL. UG was as domesticated as they come....totally crazy. The funny thing is that  even though he was a totally miserable nut job he was still somehow able to occasionally utter more intelligent stuff than you.

so you confused the k-site, but there is hope for you here

Eden wrote:

I have cabbages more alive than you so I doubt you have anything to offer me but thanks for the kind words.

alive is alive, more alive does not exist. empty your mind and let your ug outside

that's the best you can come up with?  how limp.

Eden wrote:

joe wrote:

eden...if there is no problem, why are you here?

If you had oranges for breakfast, why are you here?  Such a question makes no sense unless there is a direction relationship between oranges and participation at this forum. 

Is a problem a requirement for being here?  If not, rephrase your question.

First let me get the sand out of your ears, come here...Did K speak to the perfection of the world as it is or did he speak to attempt (albeit unsuccessfully) to show people who were suffering psychologically what they were doing?  Don't be an ass eden, you understood the question.  Take your head out of the sand and look, and tell me why you visit here, if you can see it.

awareness wrote:

Eden wrote:

that's the best you can come up with?  how limp.

sounds really crazy, and that in a not nice way

might look crazy because you keep deleting your posts and insults...including the one that this comment was in response to. 

I guess you weren't 'aware' when you typed them, and then you became 'aware' of the non-sense that they were and so you deleted them?

Last edited by Eden (2011-11-29 14:50:21)